[ZendTo] Re: {Disarmed} Re: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
marcos.parrell at havasmg.com
marcos.parrell at havasmg.com
Thu Jun 11 20:16:59 BST 2015
Attached you can find the update log.
php.ini and apc.ini maintains the right settings once the update has
completed, but "apc.rfc1867_ttl = 7200" in acp.ini, but as expected,
adding this line it does not make any change.
re-Building PHP does not resolve the issue
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:56:15 +0100
From: Jules <Jules at Zend.To>
Subject: [ZendTo] Re: {Disarmed} Re: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
To: ZendTo Users <zendto at Zend.To>
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Check your PHP settings as on http://zend.to/phpini.php
The large uploads problem in PHP will not have been affected at all by
the installation of the ZendTo upgrade. But it may affect your php.ini
and apc.ini settings as mentioned on the page above.
Check your PHP build to see if it really is the one you manually built,
and not one replaced by Ubuntu. The datestamp on the php binaries is a
good place to start.
Cheers,
Jules.
On 11/06/2015 11:06, claudio.schnelldasilva at manroland-web.com wrote:
> ? My server (ubuntu 14.04 Server) fetched all recent updates (php AND
zend.to), too. After that I rebuilded php as mentioned on the Zend.To
website.
> Sorry, my fault. The link on the zend.to website I followed to fix php
is http://zend.to/phpfix.php
>
> Claudio
>
> Von: zendto-bounces at zend.to [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] Im Auftrag
von Eythor Thorsteinsson
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2015 11:55
> An: ZendTo Users
> Betreff: [ZendTo] {Disarmed} Re: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
>
> I guess by updating php, you downgraded to 32 bit php? If that's the
case, downgrading zend.to will not help. You'll need to fix php, as per
the instruction here http://zend.to/phpfix.php
>
> --Eythor
> On 11 Jun 2015, at 09:15, claudio.schnelldasilva at manroland-web.com
wrote:
>
> My server (ubuntu 14.04 Server) fetched all recent updates (php AND
zend.to), too. After that I rebuilded php as mentioned on the Zend.To
website.
> Zend.to claims to be version 4.12-5 according to ?aptitude show
zendto?.
> Nevertheless large downloads don?t work anymore.
> Can you tell me the way to downgrade to an older 4.11 version ? On
http://zend.to/downloads.php I can only see the link to the current 4.12-5
deb file.
>
> Thanks for your help and best regards
> Claudio
>
> Von: zendto-bounces at zend.to [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] Im Auftrag
von Jules
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2015 13:41
> An: ZendTo Users
> Betreff: [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
>
> You mention "before updating the server". Did those updates include any
new packages for PHP?
> If so, you'll of course have to rebuild PHP by hand following the
instructions on the ZendTo website.
>
> Jules.
> On 03/06/2015 12:24, marcos.parrell at havasmg.com wrote:
> Many thanks for the information Mike.
>
> I think this is not a browser related issue, the same browser from the
same computer success on uploading a 19GB file before updating the server.
One of the updates is changing something that I am unable to determine.
Anyway, I'm using Firefox 38.0.1 on a Windows 7 Enterprise x64, if I use
Internet Explorer 11 x64 the transfer start on browser side but no
incoming file reach the server.
>
> It is quite annoying, I was hoping any of you had faced this problem
before...
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> From: zendto-request at zend.to
> To: zendto at zend.to
> Date: 03-06-15 01:02 PM
> Subject: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
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> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 09:09:45 +0200
> From: marcos.parrell at havasmg.com
> Subject: [ZendTo] ZendTo 4.11-6 2GB limited transfers
> To: zendto at Zend.To
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> Hello all,
>
> Sorry for interrupt you in the middle of new beta development but I have
> found an issue on existing 4.11 ZendTo Ubuntu based that you could be
> aware of.
>
> I have downloaded the OVA (ZendTo-Ubuntu-x64-4.11-6.ova) and deployed it
> making the minimal changes for being able to login and make a test. The
> tool works properly for any kind of transfer without any issue or
problem.
>
> Then I make an update of the system, configured LDAP authentication and
> increased the values of 'maxBytesForDropoff' and 'maxBytesForFile' to
> 20GB (21474836470) and after this, ZendTo is unable to make transfer
> superiors to 2GB, when you start this kind of transfers the incoming
file
> rise in /var/zendto/incoming/ until it reach the 2GB limit, then it was
> deleted and the browser keeps trying to send it without returning any
> error.
>
> In php.ini (/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini), after updating the system, both
> post_max_size and upload_max_filesize are set to 50GB.
>
> Are you aware about this "issue", do you know how can i resolve it?.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
> Marcos.
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> From: Mike Brudenell <mike.brudenell at york.ac.uk>
> Subject: [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 4.11-6 2GB limited transfers
> To: ZendTo Users <zendto at zend.to>
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>
> Hi, Marcos -
>
> Which web browser and version are you using to upload the file(s) to
> ZendTo? There were (and I guess still are) issues with different
browsers,
> different versions of browsers, and even the same version but on
different
> platforms that make their ability to upload files over certain size
> thresholds an interesting challenge:
>
> - all handle uploads up to 2GB OK
> - many handle uploads between 2GB and 4GB OK but not over 4GB
> - some handle uploads over 4GB OK
>
> You might recognise those numbers as Magic Numbers of the Universe:
>
> - 2GB = maximum value of a signed 32 bit integer
> - 4GB = maximum value of an unsigned 32 bit integer
> - >4GB = needs a 64 bit integer
>
> Web browsers with problems can fail in different ways, such as:
>
> - failing quickly
> - appearing to hang and never complete the upload
> - navigating/trying to navigate away from the upload page
>
> It's probably changed since I did my tests way back when we started
using
> ZendTo but at that time we found no Windows browsers that worked with
files
> over 4GB, one or two on a Mac that did work, and I think one on Ubuntu
that
> worked.
>
> So your next step is to test your setup using different browsers ? eg,
> Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, etc. Where you have a
> choice, make sure you're running the 64-bit version of the browser
(which
> will likely require a 64-bit version of your OS as well?)
>
> Cheers,
> Mike B-)
>
>
>
> On 3 June 2015 at 08:09, <marcos.parrell at havasmg.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Sorry for interrupt you in the middle of new beta development but I
have
>> found an issue on existing 4.11 ZendTo Ubuntu based that you could be
aware
>> of.
>>
>> I have downloaded the OVA (ZendTo-Ubuntu-x64-4.11-6.ova) and deployed
it
>> making the minimal changes for being able to login and make a test. The
>> tool works properly for any kind of transfer without any issue or
problem.
>>
>> Then I make an update of the system, configured LDAP authentication and
>> increased the values of 'maxBytesForDropoff' and 'maxBytesForFile' to
20GB
>> (21474836470) and after this, ZendTo is unable to make transfer
superiors
>> to 2GB, when you start this kind of transfers the incoming file rise in
>> /var/zendto/incoming/ until it reach the 2GB limit, then it was deleted
and
>> the browser keeps trying to send it without returning any error.
>>
>> In php.ini (/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini), after updating the system, both
>> post_max_size and upload_max_filesize are set to 50GB.
>>
>> Are you aware about this "issue", do you know how can i resolve it?.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance.
>> Marcos.
>> _______________________________________________
>> ZendTo mailing list
>> ZendTo at zend.to
>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/zendto
>>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:16:08 +0000
From: <claudio.schnelldasilva at manroland-web.com>
Subject: [ZendTo] Re: {Disarmed} Re: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
To: <zendto at zend.to>
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Thanks Jules,
in fact I had to reinsert the settings in php.ini.
Everything is fine now.
Regards,
Claudio
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: zendto-bounces at zend.to [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] Im Auftrag von
Jules
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2015 14:56
An: ZendTo Users
Betreff: [ZendTo] Re: {Disarmed} Re: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
Check your PHP settings as on http://zend.to/phpini.php
The large uploads problem in PHP will not have been affected at all by
the installation of the ZendTo upgrade. But it may affect your php.ini
and apc.ini settings as mentioned on the page above.
Check your PHP build to see if it really is the one you manually built,
and not one replaced by Ubuntu. The datestamp on the php binaries is a
good place to start.
Cheers,
Jules.
On 11/06/2015 11:06, claudio.schnelldasilva at manroland-web.com wrote:
> ? My server (ubuntu 14.04 Server) fetched all recent updates (php AND
zend.to), too. After that I rebuilded php as mentioned on the Zend.To
website.
> Sorry, my fault. The link on the zend.to website I followed to fix php
is http://zend.to/phpfix.php
>
> Claudio
>
> Von: zendto-bounces at zend.to [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] Im Auftrag
von Eythor Thorsteinsson
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2015 11:55
> An: ZendTo Users
> Betreff: [ZendTo] {Disarmed} Re: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
>
> I guess by updating php, you downgraded to 32 bit php? If that's the
case, downgrading zend.to will not help. You'll need to fix php, as per
the instruction here http://zend.to/phpfix.php
>
> --Eythor
> On 11 Jun 2015, at 09:15, claudio.schnelldasilva at manroland-web.com
wrote:
>
> My server (ubuntu 14.04 Server) fetched all recent updates (php AND
zend.to), too. After that I rebuilded php as mentioned on the Zend.To
website.
> Zend.to claims to be version 4.12-5 according to ?aptitude show
zendto?.
> Nevertheless large downloads don?t work anymore.
> Can you tell me the way to downgrade to an older 4.11 version ? On
http://zend.to/downloads.php I can only see the link to the current 4.12-5
deb file.
>
> Thanks for your help and best regards
> Claudio
>
> Von: zendto-bounces at zend.to [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] Im Auftrag
von Jules
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2015 13:41
> An: ZendTo Users
> Betreff: [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
>
> You mention "before updating the server". Did those updates include any
new packages for PHP?
> If so, you'll of course have to rebuild PHP by hand following the
instructions on the ZendTo website.
>
> Jules.
> On 03/06/2015 12:24, marcos.parrell at havasmg.com wrote:
> Many thanks for the information Mike.
>
> I think this is not a browser related issue, the same browser from the
same computer success on uploading a 19GB file before updating the server.
One of the updates is changing something that I am unable to determine.
Anyway, I'm using Firefox 38.0.1 on a Windows 7 Enterprise x64, if I use
Internet Explorer 11 x64 the transfer start on browser side but no
incoming file reach the server.
>
> It is quite annoying, I was hoping any of you had faced this problem
before...
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> From: zendto-request at zend.to
> To: zendto at zend.to
> Date: 03-06-15 01:02 PM
> Subject: ZendTo Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
> Sent by: zendto-bounces at zend.to
> ________________________________________
>
>
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>
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. ZendTo 4.11-6 2GB limited transfers (marcos.parrell at havasmg.com)
> 2. Re: ZendTo 4.11-6 2GB limited transfers (Mike Brudenell)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 09:09:45 +0200
> From: marcos.parrell at havasmg.com
> Subject: [ZendTo] ZendTo 4.11-6 2GB limited transfers
> To: zendto at Zend.To
> Message-ID:
>
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>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello all,
>
> Sorry for interrupt you in the middle of new beta development but I have
> found an issue on existing 4.11 ZendTo Ubuntu based that you could be
> aware of.
>
> I have downloaded the OVA (ZendTo-Ubuntu-x64-4.11-6.ova) and deployed it
> making the minimal changes for being able to login and make a test. The
> tool works properly for any kind of transfer without any issue or
problem.
>
> Then I make an update of the system, configured LDAP authentication and
> increased the values of 'maxBytesForDropoff' and 'maxBytesForFile' to
> 20GB (21474836470) and after this, ZendTo is unable to make transfer
> superiors to 2GB, when you start this kind of transfers the incoming
file
> rise in /var/zendto/incoming/ until it reach the 2GB limit, then it was
> deleted and the browser keeps trying to send it without returning any
> error.
>
> In php.ini (/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini), after updating the system, both
> post_max_size and upload_max_filesize are set to 50GB.
>
> Are you aware about this "issue", do you know how can i resolve it?.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
> Marcos.
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> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:20:45 +0100
> From: Mike Brudenell <mike.brudenell at york.ac.uk>
> Subject: [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 4.11-6 2GB limited transfers
> To: ZendTo Users <zendto at zend.to>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi, Marcos -
>
> Which web browser and version are you using to upload the file(s) to
> ZendTo? There were (and I guess still are) issues with different
browsers,
> different versions of browsers, and even the same version but on
different
> platforms that make their ability to upload files over certain size
> thresholds an interesting challenge:
>
> - all handle uploads up to 2GB OK
> - many handle uploads between 2GB and 4GB OK but not over 4GB
> - some handle uploads over 4GB OK
>
> You might recognise those numbers as Magic Numbers of the Universe:
>
> - 2GB = maximum value of a signed 32 bit integer
> - 4GB = maximum value of an unsigned 32 bit integer
> - >4GB = needs a 64 bit integer
>
> Web browsers with problems can fail in different ways, such as:
>
> - failing quickly
> - appearing to hang and never complete the upload
> - navigating/trying to navigate away from the upload page
>
> It's probably changed since I did my tests way back when we started
using
> ZendTo but at that time we found no Windows browsers that worked with
files
> over 4GB, one or two on a Mac that did work, and I think one on Ubuntu
that
> worked.
>
> So your next step is to test your setup using different browsers ? eg,
> Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, etc. Where you have a
> choice, make sure you're running the 64-bit version of the browser
(which
> will likely require a 64-bit version of your OS as well?)
>
> Cheers,
> Mike B-)
>
>
>
> On 3 June 2015 at 08:09, <marcos.parrell at havasmg.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Sorry for interrupt you in the middle of new beta development but I
have
>> found an issue on existing 4.11 ZendTo Ubuntu based that you could be
aware
>> of.
>>
>> I have downloaded the OVA (ZendTo-Ubuntu-x64-4.11-6.ova) and deployed
it
>> making the minimal changes for being able to login and make a test. The
>> tool works properly for any kind of transfer without any issue or
problem.
>>
>> Then I make an update of the system, configured LDAP authentication and
>> increased the values of 'maxBytesForDropoff' and 'maxBytesForFile' to
20GB
>> (21474836470) and after this, ZendTo is unable to make transfer
superiors
>> to 2GB, when you start this kind of transfers the incoming file rise in
>> /var/zendto/incoming/ until it reach the 2GB limit, then it was deleted
and
>> the browser keeps trying to send it without returning any error.
>>
>> In php.ini (/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini), after updating the system, both
>> post_max_size and upload_max_filesize are set to 50GB.
>>
>> Are you aware about this "issue", do you know how can i resolve it?.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance.
>> Marcos.
>> _______________________________________________
>> ZendTo mailing list
>> ZendTo at zend.to
>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/zendto
>>
>
>
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