[ZendTo] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} RE: Re: {Disarmed} RE: Re:ZendTo 3.70 released

Wed Feb 23 17:39:02 GMT 2011

Check your "post_max_size" too. I assume you are using the 64-bit 
version of the VM, yes? The 32-bit will never work with big uploads, and 
it's possible you may see integer wrapping on the values I put in 
php.ini as apparently they shouldn't be bigger than 2^31-1 (signed 
32-bit ints) which I only just discovered.

Stupid languages with 32-bit integers! Eek! Perl would never do that to 
you :-(

On 23/02/2011 17:30, Duncan, Brian M. wrote:
> Could this be from a bug with APC?
> I tried changing the APC max limits to megabytes instead of G, just to 
> see if I can vary the results.  No luck yet.
> I am running the php.ini included with the CentOS 3.7 VM. I have not 
> changed anything from the default other then adding what you asked for 
> in the PHP.ini.
> II have a meeting to run to now but will look later and see what I can 
> find.
> Thanks!
> Brian
>
> BRIAN M. DUNCAN
> Data Security Administrator
> Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP
> 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693
> p / (312) 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490
> brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com / www.kattenlaw.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On 
> Behalf Of *Jules
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:24 AM
> *To:* ZendTo Users
> *Subject:* {Disarmed} [ZendTo] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} RE: Re: 
> {Disarmed} RE: Re:ZendTo 3.70 released
>
> 889192448 in base 10 = 35000000 in
> base 16.
> So 889192448 = 848 MBytes.
> So there is a hard limit set in your
> PHP somewhere.
> Can you hunt through all the php.ini files looking for likely
> settings?
>
> On 23/02/2011 17:16, Duncan, Brian M. wrote:
> > The VM I am currently troubleshooting is based on
> your CentOS VM that
> > is up on the zendto site.
> >
> > I looked
> and the PHP.INI did not contain the apc.max_file_size = 50G,
> > so I added
> it.
> >
> > I restarted Apache and right when you click drop off files
> on a 950
> > meg file I get in the error log:
> >
> > [Wed Feb 23
> 11:12:23 2011] [error] [client 10.9.3.4] PHP Warning:
> > POST
> Content-Length of 973173368 bytes exceeds the limit of 889192448
> > bytes
> in Unknown on line 0, referer: *MailScanner has detected a
> > possible
> fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be*
> > *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5"
> claiming to be* http://10.9.3.5/verify.php *MailScanner has detected a 
> possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be* *MailScanner 
> has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be* 
> *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" 
> claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt 
> from "10.9.3.5"
> claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a possible
> fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be* *MailScanner has 
> detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5"
> claiming to be* <http://10.9.3.5/verify.php> BTW,
> >
>
> > This is my apc.ini in /etc/php.d (untouched from how it was in the
> VM
> > I downloaded)
> >
> > apc.enabled=1 apc.shm_segments=1
> apc.optimization=0 apc.shm_size=32M
> > apc.ttl=7200 apc.user_ttl=7200
> apc.num_files_hint=1024
> > apc.mmap_file_mask=/tmp/apc.XXXXXX
> apc.enable_cli=1
> > apc.cache_by_default=1 apc.rfc1867=on
> apc.max_file_size=50G
> >
> > BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security
> Administrator Katten Muchin Rosenman
> > LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago,
> IL 60661-3693 p / (312) 577-8045
> > f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com / www.kattenlaw.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> > ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
> > [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On
> Behalf Of *Jules *Sent:*
> > Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:07 AM *To:*
> ZendTo Users *Subject:*
> > [ZendTo] Re: {Disarmed} RE: Re: ZendTo 3.70
> released
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23/02/2011 16:57, Duncan, Brian
> M. wrote:
> >>
> >> I can't believe I missed this till now after
> days of messing with
> >> this :)
> >>
> >> This is the
> error in the errlog when uploads fail:
> >>
> >> [Wed Feb 23
> 10:47:02 2011] [error] [client 10.9.3.4] PHP Warning:
> >> POST
> Content-Length of 973173384 bytes exceeds the limit of
> >> 889192448
> bytes in Unknown on line 0, referer: *MailScanner has
> >> detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be*
> >> *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5"
> claiming to be* http://10.9.3.5/verify.php *MailScanner has detected a 
> possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be* *MailScanner 
> has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be* 
> *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" 
> claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt 
> from "10.9.3.5"
> claiming to be* *MailScanner has detected a possible
> fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be* *MailScanner has 
> detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5"
> claiming to be* <http://10.9.3.5/verify.php> Can
> you
> >> tell me how we work around this?
> > It's a limit in your
> /etc/php.ini or /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
> > upload_max_filesize =
> >
>
> >>
> >> I am wondering if fixing that will also allow the
> status bar to
> >> work with large uploads.
> > I'll be interested to
> hear.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
>
> >>
> >> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten
> Muchin Rosenman
> >> LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p
> / (312)
> >> 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com
> /
> >> www.kattenlaw.com
> >>
> >>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
> >> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On
> Behalf Of *Duncan, Brian M.
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2011
> 10:43 AM *To:* ZendTo Users
> >> *Subject:* [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70
> released
> >>
> >> This still happens without using the progress
> bar though. (That
> >> uploads greater then 850 megabytes zendto does not
> accept) Happens
> >> in your CentOS and Ubuntu builds of 3.70 and 3.65 I
> have now
> >> verified it happens in.
> >>
> >> Does that
> still mean it is due to the APC module?
> >>
> >> I need to try
> to figure some work around.
> >>
> >> I don't need the progress
> bar, but I need uploads to work up to 2
> >> gig.
> >>
>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
>
> >>
> >> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten
> Muchin Rosenman
> >> LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p
> / (312)
> >> 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com
> /
> >> www.kattenlaw.com
> >>
> >>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
> >> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On
> Behalf Of *Jules *Sent:*
> >> Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:35 AM *To:*
> ZendTo Users *Subject:*
> >> [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70
> released
> >>
> >> It sits at 100 if it never gets any size
> information from the APC
> >> module at all. So yes, if it sits at 100 it
> will probably fail as
> >> the APC module has got screwed up. Not a whole
> lot I can do about
> >> that really, sorry. If you have any suggestions
> though, I'm all
> >> ears! :-)
> >>
> >>
> Jules.
> >>
> >> On 23/02/2011 15:16, Duncan, Brian M.
> wrote:
> >>> I decided to see if your Ubuntu build has the same
> issues.
> >>>
> >>> It does have the same
> issues.
> >>>
> >>> I downloaded
> >>> http://www.zend.to/files/ZendTo-Ubuntu-x86-3.70-2.zip
> and set it
> >>> up with bare minimum to test a large
> upload.
> >>>
> >>> 980 meg upload had the same issues, no
> status bar updates and the
> >>> upload failes to be accepted by
> zendto.
> >>>
> >>> 850 meg uploads and below in size work
> fine and the drop-off is
> >>> accepted and you get the dropoff
> summary.
> >>>
> >>> Jules I don't know what is going on
> here but the progress bar
> >>> helps determine if zendto is not going
> to accept the upload. I
> >>> have found it to be consistent that if
> the progress bar displays
> >>> 100 the entire upload when the upload
> finishes then zendto will
> >>> not display the dropoff
> summary.
> >>>
> >>> Is there anything else specifically
> that I can do to help narrow
> >>> down what is causing this? I was
> going to try next downloading
> >>> the 3.65-1 VM which still has the
> older PHP in it if I recall
> >>> correctly and verify
> that.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> Brian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> BRIAN
> M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin
> >>> Rosenman LLP
> 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p /
> >>> (312) 577-8045
> f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com
> /
> >>> www.kattenlaw.com
> >>>
>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
> >>>
> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On
> Behalf Of *Duncan, Brian M.
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2011
> 12:40 PM *To:* ZendTo Users
> >>> *Subject:* [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70
> released
> >>>
> >>> OK I had some time to download the
> CentOS VM 3.70-2 image.
> >>> http://www.zend.to/files/ZendTo-CentOS-x86-3.70-2.zip
> >>>
>
> >>> I just did minimum configuration after setting it up in
> VMware
> >>> workstation so I could access it locally through a web
> browser to
> >>> drop off a large file. (980 meg file
> again)
> >>>
> >>> I installed iptraf on the VM and during
> the upload it averaged
> >>> around 3700 Kilobytes per second
> transferring to the Zendto VM.
> >>> (Around 6 minutes on the
> upload)
> >>>
> >>> It still failed to display the drop-off
> summary. It resets back
> >>> to the adding the recipient #1 and the
> file you want to drop off.
> >>> Progress bar was stuck at 100 the
> whole time, I know you know of
> >>> the progress bar bug, just
> listing because it is staying constant
> >>> at least for
> me.
> >>>
> >>> So it would seem with at least the CentOS
> distribution (I have
> >>> never tried Ubuntu) that at somewhere
> around 850 megs uploads do
> >>> not finish successfully. (Not
> progress bar on or off dependent
> >>> either)
> >>>
>
> >>> I have not tried Ubuntu since we have to use Red Hat
> based
> >>> distributions. So if the issue is related to PHP and
> CentOS I am
> >>> unable to rule that out at this
> point.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> Brian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> BRIAN
> M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin
> >>> Rosenman LLP
> 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p /
> >>> (312) 577-8045
> f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com
> /
> >>> www.kattenlaw.com
> >>>
>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
> >>>
> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On
> Behalf Of *Jules *Sent:*
> >>> Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:59 AM
> *To:* ZendTo Users *Subject:*
> >>> [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70
> released
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On
> 22/02/2011 14:43, Duncan, Brian M. wrote:
> >>>> Well I took a
> chance and renamed my zendto (3.7x) directory and
> >>>> put back
> in place 3.62 and still found that the 980 meg upload
> >>>> still
> does not work.
> >>> Good. From my point of view, anyway, as it means
> I haven't broken
> >>> anything that wasn't already
> broken.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I moved back to the
> 3.7x.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any idea where I can start to
> troubleshoot why uploads that
> >>>> large do not finish with
> Zendto?
> >>> Try different browsers, try a different build of PHP 5.2
> (if
> >>> you're on CentOS, there is more than one) and make sure you
> have
> >>> rebuilt the libphp5.so file correctly, and that it matches
> the
> >>> version of all the other php5 packages you have
> installed.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was going to try and
> download a current VMWARE image today
> >>>> and set that up
> locally on VMware workstation and verify that
> >>>> but I do not
> know if I will have enough time.
> >>> Make sure you follow my
> instructions on the website and in the
> >>> README that is in the zip
> file you will download.
> >>>
> >>>
> Jules.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> BRIAN M.
> DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin
> >>>> Rosenman
> LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p /
> >>>> (312)
> 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com
> /
> >>>> www.kattenlaw.com
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
> >>>>
> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On
> Behalf Of *Duncan, Brian
> >>>> M. *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22,
> 2011 8:21 AM *To:* ZendTo
> >>>> Users *Subject:* [ZendTo] Re:
> ZendTo 3.70 released
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> Jules,
> >>>>
> >>>> After putting in place the
> new_dropoff.tpl from the new version
> >>>> I now have the animated
> gif working and uploading is back to
> >>>>
> working.
> >>>>
> >>>> Problem is that it still does
> not accept an upload that is 980
> >>>> megabytes. When it finishes
> sending it it just resets the
> >>>> dropoff page to ask for the
> recipient 1 info and the file you
> >>>> want to
> drop-off.
> >>>>
> >>>> The 980 megabyte upload took
> 20 minutes at around 850 Kilobytes
> >>>> per second. It is not a
> timing parameter issue somewhere
> >>>> because I can upload a file
> externally that is like 400 meg
> >>>> that takes an hour to send
> and it works.
> >>>>
> >>>> It does not go to the
> drop-off summary page.
> >>>>
> >>>> All uploads
> below 850 megabytes are working fine still.
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I still have my zendto directory from before I started all
> the
> >>>> progress bar updates. Even with the extensions to MySQL
> that I
> >>>> ran with the 3.70 upgrade can I go back? I want to
> verify if I
> >>>> am having an issue with large uploads on the
> version I was
> >>>> running for the last couple months. I think
> that is 3.62. I
> >>>> am hoping if I put 3.62 back in place, it
> won't care about the
> >>>> extensions to the
> DB.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
> >>>> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security
> Administrator Katten Muchin
> >>>> Rosenman LLP 525 W. Monroe
> Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p /
> >>>> (312) 577-8045 f / (312)
> 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com
> /
> >>>> www.kattenlaw.com
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
> >>>>
> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On
> Behalf Of *Jules *Sent:*
> >>>> Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:13 AM
> *To:* ZendTo Users
> >>>> *Subject:* [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70
> released
> >>>>
> >>>> Have just uploaded 3.70-2 to
> the website for you. It contains
> >>>> the fixed new_dropoff.tpl
> file.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jules.
> >>>>
>
> >>>> On 21/02/2011 21:12, Duncan, Brian M.
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I updated to the new
> version. Not having great results, and
> >>>>> turning the
> progress bars off results in worse results.
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> With progress bars turned on 'useRealProgressBar' =>
> TRUE,
> >>>>> uploads work fine up to around 850 megabytes
> still.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With progress bars
> turned on, this is what a 950 meg upload
> >>>>> displays after
> like 30% of the file is being uploaded: And
> >>>>> when the
> upload does finish zendto acts like a file was never
> >>>>>
> sent the progress bar goes away and you are back at the
> point
> >>>>> that you can select the file you want to drop off.
> (The drop
> >>>>> off summary page that normally comes up at the
> end of an
> >>>>> upload, does not come
> up)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I turn the progress bar
> off in the
> >>>>> preferences('useRealProgressBar' =>
> FALSE,) I get an error
> >>>>> on the page when I try to drop a
> file off (it does not
> >>>>> upload) and it just stays at the
> animated gif for ever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In
> firefox, I just get the animated GIF for ever after I
> >>>>>
> click Drop-off the File(s). (there is no error displayed
> >>>>>
> anywhere on the browser window) It does not upload.
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I used the TGZ and overwrote all the files and then
> manually
> >>>>> updated the configs again from
> scratch.
> >>>>> http://www.zend.to/files/ZendTo-3.70-1.tgz
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Any idea on the animated GIF not working now? I am
> assuming
> >>>>> the current progress bar is not an option since
> anything
> >>>>> larger then 850 megs does not work on an
> upload. Can anyone
> >>>>> else confirm they can't get an upload
> to work when using the
> >>>>> progress
> bar?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten
> Muchin
> >>>>> Rosenman LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL
> 60661-3693 p
> >>>>> / (312) 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490
>
> >>>>> brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com / www.kattenlaw.com
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: zendto-bounces at zend.to
> >>>>>
> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] On
> Behalf Of Jules Sent:
> >>>>> Monday, February 21, 2011 9:32 AM
> To: ZendTo Users Subject:
> >>>>> [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70
> released
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 21/02/2011 15:23, Duncan,
> Brian M. wrote:
> >>>>>> So with 3.70 is the progress bars
> any different from
> >>>>>> previous
> versions?
> >>>>> I've changed the timings which might well
> affect its
> >>>>> performance.
> >>>>>> Did
> you add the feature to turn them on and off?
> >>>>>
> Yes.
> >>>>>> I was just wondering because I have to
> troubleshoot the
> >>>>>> issue we are having with people not
> being able to upload
> >>>>>> files larger then 850 megabytes
> today, and was thinking I
> >>>>>> would start out by
> updating to the current version.
> >>>>> That wouldn't be a bad
> idea. Then you can just abandon the
> >>>>> progress bars for
> now if you want to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And if
> you're using Ubuntu, you can use my shiny new .deb
> >>>>>
> package! :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> Jules.
> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: zendto-bounces at zend.to
> >>>>>>
> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] On
> Behalf Of Jules Sent:
> >>>>>> Monday, February 21, 2011 5:04
> AM To: ZendTo Users Subject:
> >>>>>> [ZendTo] ZendTo 3.70
> released
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have just
> put out a testing release, 3.70. It includes
> >>>>>> the
> progress bars, with a few updates from the weekend.
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> It also includes the new "Send a Request" feature
> so you
> >>>>>> can easily ask people to send you files using
> ZendTo
> >>>>>> without them having to jump through hoops to
> do it. Perfect
> >>>>>> for your customer service
> operations!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Note that
> this feature requires a new database table, so if
> >>>>>>
> you're upgrading with SQLite see
> /opt/zendto/sbin/UPGRADE.
> >>>>>> If you're upgrading with
> MySQL see /opt/zendto/sql.
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Jules
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> -- Julian Field MEng CITP CEng www.Zend.To
> >>>>>>
>
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