[ZendTo] {Disarmed} RE: {Disarmed} {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} RE: Re: {Disarmed} RE: Re:ZendTo 3.70 released
Duncan, Brian M.
brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com
Wed Feb 23 17:30:47 GMT 2011
Could this be from a bug with APC?
I tried changing the APC max limits to megabytes instead of G, just to
see if I can vary the results. No luck yet.
I am running the php.ini included with the CentOS 3.7 VM. I have not
changed anything from the default other then adding what you asked for
in the PHP.ini.
II have a meeting to run to now but will look later and see what I can
find.
Thanks!
Brian
BRIAN M. DUNCAN
Data Security Administrator
Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP
525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693
p / (312) 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490
brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com / www.kattenlaw.com
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From: zendto-bounces at zend.to [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] On Behalf
Of Jules
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:24 AM
To: ZendTo Users
Subject: {Disarmed} [ZendTo] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} RE: Re:
{Disarmed} RE: Re:ZendTo 3.70 released
889192448 in base 10 = 35000000 in base 16.
So 889192448 = 848 MBytes.
So there is a hard limit set in your PHP somewhere.
Can you hunt through all the php.ini files looking for likely settings?
On 23/02/2011 17:16, Duncan, Brian M. wrote:
> The VM I am currently troubleshooting is based on your CentOS VM that
> is up on the zendto site.
>
> I looked and the PHP.INI did not contain the apc.max_file_size = 50G,
> so I added it.
>
> I restarted Apache and right when you click drop off files on a 950
> meg file I get in the error log:
>
> [Wed Feb 23 11:12:23 2011] [error] [client 10.9.3.4] PHP Warning:
> POST Content-Length of 973173368 bytes exceeds the limit of 889192448
> bytes in Unknown on line 0, referer: *MailScanner has detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be*
> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5"
claiming to be http://10.9.3.5/verify.php <http://10.9.3.5/verify.php>
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5"
claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
"10.9.3.5" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be <http://10.9.3.5/verify.php>
<http://10.9.3.5/verify.php> BTW,
>
> This is my apc.ini in /etc/php.d (untouched from how it was in the VM
> I downloaded)
>
> apc.enabled=1 apc.shm_segments=1 apc.optimization=0 apc.shm_size=32M
> apc.ttl=7200 apc.user_ttl=7200 apc.num_files_hint=1024
> apc.mmap_file_mask=/tmp/apc.XXXXXX apc.enable_cli=1
> apc.cache_by_default=1 apc.rfc1867=on apc.max_file_size=50G
>
> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin Rosenman
> LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p / (312) 577-8045
> f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com / www.kattenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On Behalf Of *Jules *Sent:*
> Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:07 AM *To:* ZendTo Users *Subject:*
> [ZendTo] Re: {Disarmed} RE: Re: ZendTo 3.70 released
>
>
>
> On 23/02/2011 16:57, Duncan, Brian M. wrote:
>>
>> I can't believe I missed this till now after days of messing with
>> this :)
>>
>> This is the error in the errlog when uploads fail:
>>
>> [Wed Feb 23 10:47:02 2011] [error] [client 10.9.3.4] PHP Warning:
>> POST Content-Length of 973173384 bytes exceeds the limit of
>> 889192448 bytes in Unknown on line 0, referer: *MailScanner has
>> detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be*
>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5"
claiming to be http://10.9.3.5/verify.php <http://10.9.3.5/verify.php>
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.9.3.5"
claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
"10.9.3.5" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
attempt from "10.9.3.5" claiming to be <http://10.9.3.5/verify.php>
<http://10.9.3.5/verify.php> Can you
>> tell me how we work around this?
> It's a limit in your /etc/php.ini or /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
> upload_max_filesize =
>
>>
>> I am wondering if fixing that will also allow the status bar to
>> work with large uploads.
> I'll be interested to hear.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin Rosenman
>> LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p / (312)
>> 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com /
>> www.kattenlaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
>> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On Behalf Of *Duncan, Brian M.
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:43 AM *To:* ZendTo Users
>> *Subject:* [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70 released
>>
>> This still happens without using the progress bar though. (That
>> uploads greater then 850 megabytes zendto does not accept) Happens
>> in your CentOS and Ubuntu builds of 3.70 and 3.65 I have now
>> verified it happens in.
>>
>> Does that still mean it is due to the APC module?
>>
>> I need to try to figure some work around.
>>
>> I don't need the progress bar, but I need uploads to work up to 2
>> gig.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin Rosenman
>> LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p / (312)
>> 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com /
>> www.kattenlaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
>> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On Behalf Of *Jules *Sent:*
>> Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:35 AM *To:* ZendTo Users *Subject:*
>> [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70 released
>>
>> It sits at 100 if it never gets any size information from the APC
>> module at all. So yes, if it sits at 100 it will probably fail as
>> the APC module has got screwed up. Not a whole lot I can do about
>> that really, sorry. If you have any suggestions though, I'm all
>> ears! :-)
>>
>> Jules.
>>
>> On 23/02/2011 15:16, Duncan, Brian M. wrote:
>>> I decided to see if your Ubuntu build has the same issues.
>>>
>>> It does have the same issues.
>>>
>>> I downloaded
>>> http://www.zend.to/files/ZendTo-Ubuntu-x86-3.70-2.zip and set it
>>> up with bare minimum to test a large upload.
>>>
>>> 980 meg upload had the same issues, no status bar updates and the
>>> upload failes to be accepted by zendto.
>>>
>>> 850 meg uploads and below in size work fine and the drop-off is
>>> accepted and you get the dropoff summary.
>>>
>>> Jules I don't know what is going on here but the progress bar
>>> helps determine if zendto is not going to accept the upload. I
>>> have found it to be consistent that if the progress bar displays
>>> 100 the entire upload when the upload finishes then zendto will
>>> not display the dropoff summary.
>>>
>>> Is there anything else specifically that I can do to help narrow
>>> down what is causing this? I was going to try next downloading
>>> the 3.65-1 VM which still has the older PHP in it if I recall
>>> correctly and verify that.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin
>>> Rosenman LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p /
>>> (312) 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com /
>>> www.kattenlaw.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
>>> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On Behalf Of *Duncan, Brian M.
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* ZendTo Users
>>> *Subject:* [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70 released
>>>
>>> OK I had some time to download the CentOS VM 3.70-2 image.
>>> http://www.zend.to/files/ZendTo-CentOS-x86-3.70-2.zip
>>>
>>> I just did minimum configuration after setting it up in VMware
>>> workstation so I could access it locally through a web browser to
>>> drop off a large file. (980 meg file again)
>>>
>>> I installed iptraf on the VM and during the upload it averaged
>>> around 3700 Kilobytes per second transferring to the Zendto VM.
>>> (Around 6 minutes on the upload)
>>>
>>> It still failed to display the drop-off summary. It resets back
>>> to the adding the recipient #1 and the file you want to drop off.
>>> Progress bar was stuck at 100 the whole time, I know you know of
>>> the progress bar bug, just listing because it is staying constant
>>> at least for me.
>>>
>>> So it would seem with at least the CentOS distribution (I have
>>> never tried Ubuntu) that at somewhere around 850 megs uploads do
>>> not finish successfully. (Not progress bar on or off dependent
>>> either)
>>>
>>> I have not tried Ubuntu since we have to use Red Hat based
>>> distributions. So if the issue is related to PHP and CentOS I am
>>> unable to rule that out at this point.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin
>>> Rosenman LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p /
>>> (312) 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com /
>>> www.kattenlaw.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
>>> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On Behalf Of *Jules *Sent:*
>>> Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:59 AM *To:* ZendTo Users *Subject:*
>>> [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70 released
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/02/2011 14:43, Duncan, Brian M. wrote:
>>>> Well I took a chance and renamed my zendto (3.7x) directory and
>>>> put back in place 3.62 and still found that the 980 meg upload
>>>> still does not work.
>>> Good. From my point of view, anyway, as it means I haven't broken
>>> anything that wasn't already broken.
>>>>
>>>> So I moved back to the 3.7x.
>>>>
>>>> Any idea where I can start to troubleshoot why uploads that
>>>> large do not finish with Zendto?
>>> Try different browsers, try a different build of PHP 5.2 (if
>>> you're on CentOS, there is more than one) and make sure you have
>>> rebuilt the libphp5.so file correctly, and that it matches the
>>> version of all the other php5 packages you have installed.
>>>>
>>>> I was going to try and download a current VMWARE image today
>>>> and set that up locally on VMware workstation and verify that
>>>> but I do not know if I will have enough time.
>>> Make sure you follow my instructions on the website and in the
>>> README that is in the zip file you will download.
>>>
>>> Jules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin
>>>> Rosenman LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p /
>>>> (312) 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com /
>>>> www.kattenlaw.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
>>>> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On Behalf Of *Duncan, Brian
>>>> M. *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:21 AM *To:* ZendTo
>>>> Users *Subject:* [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70 released
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Jules,
>>>>
>>>> After putting in place the new_dropoff.tpl from the new version
>>>> I now have the animated gif working and uploading is back to
>>>> working.
>>>>
>>>> Problem is that it still does not accept an upload that is 980
>>>> megabytes. When it finishes sending it it just resets the
>>>> dropoff page to ask for the recipient 1 info and the file you
>>>> want to drop-off.
>>>>
>>>> The 980 megabyte upload took 20 minutes at around 850 Kilobytes
>>>> per second. It is not a timing parameter issue somewhere
>>>> because I can upload a file externally that is like 400 meg
>>>> that takes an hour to send and it works.
>>>>
>>>> It does not go to the drop-off summary page.
>>>>
>>>> All uploads below 850 megabytes are working fine still.
>>>>
>>>> I still have my zendto directory from before I started all the
>>>> progress bar updates. Even with the extensions to MySQL that I
>>>> ran with the 3.70 upgrade can I go back? I want to verify if I
>>>> am having an issue with large uploads on the version I was
>>>> running for the last couple months. I think that is 3.62. I
>>>> am hoping if I put 3.62 back in place, it won't care about the
>>>> extensions to the DB.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin
>>>> Rosenman LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p /
>>>> (312) 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490 brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com /
>>>> www.kattenlaw.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------- *From:* zendto-bounces at zend.to
>>>> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] *On Behalf Of *Jules *Sent:*
>>>> Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:13 AM *To:* ZendTo Users
>>>> *Subject:* [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70 released
>>>>
>>>> Have just uploaded 3.70-2 to the website for you. It contains
>>>> the fixed new_dropoff.tpl file.
>>>>
>>>> Jules.
>>>>
>>>> On 21/02/2011 21:12, Duncan, Brian M. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> I updated to the new version. Not having great results, and
>>>>> turning the progress bars off results in worse results.
>>>>>
>>>>> With progress bars turned on 'useRealProgressBar' => TRUE,
>>>>> uploads work fine up to around 850 megabytes still.
>>>>>
>>>>> With progress bars turned on, this is what a 950 meg upload
>>>>> displays after like 30% of the file is being uploaded: And
>>>>> when the upload does finish zendto acts like a file was never
>>>>> sent the progress bar goes away and you are back at the point
>>>>> that you can select the file you want to drop off. (The drop
>>>>> off summary page that normally comes up at the end of an
>>>>> upload, does not come up)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I turn the progress bar off in the
>>>>> preferences('useRealProgressBar' => FALSE,) I get an error
>>>>> on the page when I try to drop a file off (it does not
>>>>> upload) and it just stays at the animated gif for ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> In firefox, I just get the animated GIF for ever after I
>>>>> click Drop-off the File(s). (there is no error displayed
>>>>> anywhere on the browser window) It does not upload.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used the TGZ and overwrote all the files and then manually
>>>>> updated the configs again from scratch.
>>>>> http://www.zend.to/files/ZendTo-3.70-1.tgz
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea on the animated GIF not working now? I am assuming
>>>>> the current progress bar is not an option since anything
>>>>> larger then 850 megs does not work on an upload. Can anyone
>>>>> else confirm they can't get an upload to work when using the
>>>>> progress bar?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BRIAN M. DUNCAN Data Security Administrator Katten Muchin
>>>>> Rosenman LLP 525 W. Monroe Street / Chicago, IL 60661-3693 p
>>>>> / (312) 577-8045 f / (312) 577-4490
>>>>> brian.duncan at kattenlaw.com / www.kattenlaw.com
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: zendto-bounces at zend.to
>>>>> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] On Behalf Of Jules Sent:
>>>>> Monday, February 21, 2011 9:32 AM To: ZendTo Users Subject:
>>>>> [ZendTo] Re: ZendTo 3.70 released
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/02/2011 15:23, Duncan, Brian M. wrote:
>>>>>> So with 3.70 is the progress bars any different from
>>>>>> previous versions?
>>>>> I've changed the timings which might well affect its
>>>>> performance.
>>>>>> Did you add the feature to turn them on and off?
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>> I was just wondering because I have to troubleshoot the
>>>>>> issue we are having with people not being able to upload
>>>>>> files larger then 850 megabytes today, and was thinking I
>>>>>> would start out by updating to the current version.
>>>>> That wouldn't be a bad idea. Then you can just abandon the
>>>>> progress bars for now if you want to.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you're using Ubuntu, you can use my shiny new .deb
>>>>> package! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, Jules.
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: zendto-bounces at zend.to
>>>>>> [mailto:zendto-bounces at zend.to] On Behalf Of Jules Sent:
>>>>>> Monday, February 21, 2011 5:04 AM To: ZendTo Users Subject:
>>>>>> [ZendTo] ZendTo 3.70 released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just put out a testing release, 3.70. It includes
>>>>>> the progress bars, with a few updates from the weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also includes the new "Send a Request" feature so you
>>>>>> can easily ask people to send you files using ZendTo
>>>>>> without them having to jump through hoops to do it. Perfect
>>>>>> for your customer service operations!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that this feature requires a new database table, so if
>>>>>> you're upgrading with SQLite see /opt/zendto/sbin/UPGRADE.
>>>>>> If you're upgrading with MySQL see /opt/zendto/sql.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Julian Field MEng CITP CEng www.Zend.To
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