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Scott,<br>
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I have added that to the upgrade script in the new beta release.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
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Scott,<br>
<br>
Yes, I could mention the presence of *.rpmnew and *.rpmsave files
in that directory, no problem.<br>
That would definitely be better than the current status.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/07/2020 17:05, Scott Silva via
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there a way for your upgrade script to mention these files
if it finds them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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necessarily fix them, but say they are there, and pause
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<b>Subject:</b> [ZendTo] Potential change to RPM
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Folks,<br>
<br>
This only applies to those using the RPM/yum distribution of
ZendTo.<br>
It affects people running CentOS or RedHat, for starters.<br>
<br>
It does not apply to people running ZendTo on Ubuntu or
Debian, for example.<br>
<br>
Currently, if you modify a *.tpl file (anything in
/opt/zendto/templates) and then upgrade:<br>
1. The new version goes in as *.tpl.rpmnew<br>
2. The rpm command tells you this (but it tells you a lot of
things very fast)<br>
3. You have to go and fix up any customisations, so that the
service works at all.<br>
<br>
What I could change them to is this:<br>
1. The new version goes in as *.tpl and the old modified one
is renamed to *.tpl.rpmsave<br>
2. The rpm command tells you as before<br>
3. The service works first time, but you then need to
re-apply your customisations.<br>
<br>
Which approach is better?<br>
<br>
It's going to be a very noticeable change for any site that
regularly tweaks any of the *.tpl files.<br>
But I suspect that is a small proportion of sites.<br>
<br>
What do you think?<br>
<br>
Is this change a good idea or a bad one?<br>
<br>
Please let me know!<br>
<br>
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