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Kevin,<br>
<br>
Okay, in which case I probably have rather gone off on a tangent to
what they actually want.<br>
<br>
One thing we need to agree is what goes into the report, which could
be generated by a nightly cron job.<br>
<br>
For each drop-off, there is everything that is mentioned in the "new
dropoff" email & some others:<br>
- sender username, email, name<br>
- date+time<br>
- note<br>
- recipients names and emails<br>
- file names<br>
- file sizes<br>
- file types<br>
- file checksums<br>
- encrypted yes/no<br>
- picked up yes/no<br>
- picked up when and by whom (table of all pickups)<br>
<br>
What info do they not only want now, but are likely to want a few
months down the line when they've thought of some other use cases
for the report?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/04/2020 23:31, Kevin Miller via
ZendTo wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jules,
you’re mentioning archiving email. Maybe I’m
misunderstanding but what they really need is “</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">ust
something daily that would allow us to track when our users
put something in there.” Something along the lines of
logwatch, i.e. a log parser or sql query that could run via
cron and put out a simple text report which could then be
mailed to an appropriate recipient.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Or
am I over-interpreting what you’ve whipped up?</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">...Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kevin
Miller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Network/email
Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">155
South Seward Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Juneau,
Alaska 99801<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Phone:
(907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4588 Registered Linux User
No: 307357<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
ZendTo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jules via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 6, 2020 7:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Branden Holloway
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mbholloway@juneaupolice.com"><mbholloway@juneaupolice.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jules <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"><Jules@Zend.To></a>; Kevin Miller
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kevin.miller@juneau.org"><kevin.miller@juneau.org></a>; ZendTo Users
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Feature request...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span
style="color:red">EXTERNAL E-MAIL: BE CAUTIOUS WHEN OPENING
FILES OR FOLLOWING LINKS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Branden,<br>
<br>
Okay, no problem.<br>
<br>
The possible email messages fall into a few different types:<br>
- new drop-offs from internal users (what you specifically
want to capture)<br>
- new drop-offs from external users (relatively hard to
distinguish one of these from one above)<br>
- re-sends of existing drop-offs, only applies to internal
users<br>
- notification that file(s) have been picked up (could be
very useful to you in the future?)<br>
- request for files sent to external user<br>
I'm already ignoring the emails sent to external users to
verify their email address.<br>
<br>
So we have 5 remaining categories, which could be keyworded
similarly to this:<br>
new-internal<br>
new-external<br>
resend<br>
pickup<br>
request<br>
<br>
So I could add a 2nd new preferences.php option which is a
list of a selection of those 5 keywords.<br>
If you include that keyword in your list, you get that type
of email archived.<br>
<br>
In your situation, you would only want 'new-internal' for
now, but 'resend' and/or 'pickup' might be useful to you in
the future. Particularly when someone says that one of your
users never sent a file, when they did, and when the
recipient even picked it up but then lost it. Re-sends of
existing drop-offs can only be done by internal (logged in)
users, so you don't need to worry about seeing logs of
incoming stuff from outside
<a href="mailto:*@juneaupolice.com" moz-do-not-send="true">*@juneaupolice.com</a>.<br>
<br>
Would that be close enough? Or am I heading down a totally
different alley from what you actually want?<br>
<br>
It's just that giving you a full copy of each of the
relevant types of email message means that you get *all* the
info about each relevant drop-off, including not only the
"who, what and when", but also the checksums, sizes, notes,
whether it was encrypted or not, everything.<br>
You're bound to need more than the "who, what and when" at
some point in the future.<br>
<br>
Have a think. Talk to Kevin.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 06/04/2020 15:36, Branden Holloway
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am not sure that is exactly what we
are after but i am not sure. We are trying to get an
email that shows the name, date and a list of files
dropped off by
<a href="mailto:*@juneaupolice.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">*@juneaupolice.com</a>. If
the emails you listed below would give us that info then
that would work. I am not sure it would be appropriate
for us to receive emails outside our domain. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Apr
6, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Jules
<a href="mailto:Jules@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@zend.to></a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span>
<o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
align="center"><span style="color:red">EXTERNAL
E-MAIL: BE CAUTIOUS WHEN OPENING FILES OR FOLLOWING
LINKS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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align="center">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Kevin,<br>
<br>
I've written the code, but haven't tested it yet.
It's a fairly simple set of changes, and 1 new
preferences.php setting (the archive email address
to use).<br>
<br>
Here's what I have written in the Changelog and in
preferences.php:<br>
<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">- Added new
preferences.php setting 'archiveEmailAddress'.
If this is not ''</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New""><br>
<tt> and it contains an '@', then this address is
added to the "Bcc" list of</tt><br>
<tt> every email sent by ZendTo, except for those
used to verify remote senders.</tt><br>
<tt> It is '', and hence disabled, by default.</tt></span><br>
<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> // If you need
to keep a complete archive of emails sent by
ZendTo,</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New""><br>
<tt> // excluding the ones used to verify
external senders,</tt><br>
<tt> // put the archive's email address in here.
It will be added to the</tt><br>
<tt> // Bcc list of every relevant email sent. If
you only want to archive</tt><br>
<tt> // some types of messages, simply apply some
Inbox filters to the mailbox</tt><br>
<tt> // that receives these archive copies.</tt><br>
<tt> // To disable this feature, leave this set
to ''.</tt><br>
<tt> 'archiveEmailAddress' => '',</tt><br>
</span><br>
<b>Branden</b> — Once you can confirm that this will
do what you need, let Kevin and I know and I'll get
a beta version released for you to try.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 02/04/2020 18:52, Kevin
Miller via ZendTo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Brillian.
I like the BCC solution. That should be really
easy for them to do and they could have all they
need and more for perpetuity! I’m cc:ing my
counterpart there; I can work with him to get
them lined out on how this could work.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks
much.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">...Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kevin
Miller</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Network/email
Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">155
South Seward Street</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Juneau,
Alaska 99801</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Phone:
(907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4588 Registered
Linux User No: 307357</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
ZendTo
<a href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></a>
<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Jules via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 2, 2020 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jules <a
href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>;
Kevin Miller
<a href="mailto:kevin.miller@juneau.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><kevin.miller@juneau.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Feature
request...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
align="center"><span style="color:red">EXTERNAL
E-MAIL: BE CAUTIOUS WHEN OPENING FILES OR
FOLLOWING LINKS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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align="center">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Kevin,<br>
<br>
Always happy to help out the emergency services.
I've needed their help a few times in the past
myself. I've never had to call the coastguard,
mountain rescue or cave rescue, but I've used
all the obvious ones. Our county police force
even has a specialist animal rescue team
(experts at getting cows out of ditches among
other things!).<br>
<br>
It looks pretty simple to write. It's basically
a matter of logging new drop-offs in more detail
(controlled by a preferences.php option that by
default will switch off the extra detail). Then
a new script run from a cron job that runs
overnight, pulls the relevant info from the last
day's zendto.log and sends a plain-text email of
the details.<br>
<br>
Or else I do it straight from the ZendTo
database, which would probably be a cleaner
solution, and that gets run as part of the
overnight house-keeping cron job.<br>
<br>
Can you find out exactly what information they
want about each drop-off?<br>
The obvious answer from what you've said is:<br>
- Sender username<br>
- Sender email<br>
- List of real names of the files<br>
- Date+time stamp of when the drop-off was
created.<br>
<br>
Other potential things they might want to add:<br>
- List of recipient emails (if they mistyped an
email address and later the state said "but we
never got it", it makes working out why a lot
easier)<br>
- Checksum of each file (if calculated).<br>
<br>
** There is a complete alternative to this:<br>
How about if you could give an extra email
address in preferences.php, and all "some files
have been dropped off for you" messages were
also Bcc-ed to that email address? Then you've
got *all* the details you could ever want, and
normally it just feeds into an "archive" mailbox
of some sort. Then when the need arises, someone
can look through the messages for the day
they're interested in, or search them any other
way they like using their email app.<br>
<br>
Have a chat to them and see how they would like
to go.<br>
Personally, the extra bcc address quietly added
is by far the easiest to implement, and would
guarantee they had all the info about each
drop-off that they might need. But it wouldn't
be a neat little daily table of what was sent
that day. Depends on how they want to use it,
which is often different to how they think they
want to use it. Imagine 6 months in the future:
will someone really be reading that table every
day? Or would an archive of the emails be more
useful?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 02/04/2020 17:20, Kevin
Miller via ZendTo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It’s
not a show stopper but the Juneau Police
department is using zendto to upload
evidence to share it with the state or some
such thing and they want an audit trail to
show what officer uploaded what file when.
But I can appreciate the privacy aspect
which is equally important. Both myself and
the IT guy there think the way they’re going
about it in a goofy way so I can just say
it’s not a feature currently available and
let it quietly fade into the background.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks
for all you do…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">...Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kevin
Miller</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Network/email
Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">155
South Seward Street</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Juneau,
Alaska 99801</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Phone:
(907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4588
Registered Linux User No: 307357</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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ZendTo
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<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Jules via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 2, 2020
1:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
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<b>Cc:</b> Jules <a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>;
Kevin Miller
<a href="mailto:kevin.miller@juneau.org"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Feature
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
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E-MAIL: BE CAUTIOUS WHEN OPENING FILES OR
FOLLOWING LINKS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Kevin,<br>
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Please can I ask "why?"<br>
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That seems very intrusive to me, which is
partly why I don't even log that
information.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Jules.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 01/04/2020 23:11,
Kevin Miller via ZendTo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>I have a user wanting a daily report via email on the previous day's drop-offs. He says "We would need the Who, What and When. This is just to document so and so officer dropped of files x,y,z at whatever time. "<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>I looked in zendto.log but it will note that Joe Blow dropped off 5 files, but not the specifics my user is looking for. Thought maybe it might be a nice addition to a future release.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>...Kevin<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Kevin Miller<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>155 South Seward Street<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4588 Registered Linux User No: 307357<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>'In Flanders fields the poppies blow<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> Between the crosses, row on row,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> That mark our place: and in the sky<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> The larks still bravely singing fly<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> Scarce heard amid the guns below.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> We are the dead: Short days ago,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> Loved and were loved: and now we lie<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> In Flanders fields!<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> Take up our quarrel with the foe<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> To you, from failing hands, we throw<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> The torch: be yours to hold it high<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> If ye break faith with us who die,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> We shall not sleep, though poppies grow<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> In Flanders fields.' Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Composed at the battlefront on May 3, 1915 <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>during the second battle of Ypres, Belgium<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><a href="http://www.Zend.To" moz-do-not-send="true">www.Zend.To</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Twitter: @JulesFM<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>'One of the deep secrets of life is that all that is really worth<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> doing is what we do for others.' - Lewis Carroll<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>'Ensanguining the skies<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> How heavily it dies<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> Into the west away;<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> Past touch and sight and sound<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> Not further to be found,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> How hopeless under ground<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> Falls the remorseful day.' - A.E.Houseman<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><a href="http://www.Zend.To" moz-do-not-send="true">www.Zend.To</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>'The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> out of atoms which it can use for something else.' - Eliezer Yudkowsky<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><a href="http://www.Zend.To" moz-do-not-send="true">www.Zend.To</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Twitter: @JulesFM<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules
--
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM
'They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.'
- Ode of Remembrance, Laurence Binyon
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.Zend.To">www.Zend.To</a>
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