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Branden,<br>
<br>
Okay, no problem.<br>
<br>
The possible email messages fall into a few different types:<br>
- new drop-offs from internal users (what you specifically want to
capture)<br>
- new drop-offs from external users (relatively hard to distinguish
one of these from one above)<br>
- re-sends of existing drop-offs, only applies to internal users<br>
- notification that file(s) have been picked up (could be very
useful to you in the future?)<br>
- request for files sent to external user<br>
I'm already ignoring the emails sent to external users to verify
their email address.<br>
<br>
So we have 5 remaining categories, which could be keyworded
similarly to this:<br>
new-internal<br>
new-external<br>
resend<br>
pickup<br>
request<br>
<br>
So I could add a 2nd new preferences.php option which is a list of a
selection of those 5 keywords.<br>
If you include that keyword in your list, you get that type of email
archived.<br>
<br>
In your situation, you would only want 'new-internal' for now, but
'resend' and/or 'pickup' might be useful to you in the future.
Particularly when someone says that one of your users never sent a
file, when they did, and when the recipient even picked it up but
then lost it. Re-sends of existing drop-offs can only be done by
internal (logged in) users, so you don't need to worry about seeing
logs of incoming stuff from outside *@juneaupolice.com.<br>
<br>
Would that be close enough? Or am I heading down a totally different
alley from what you actually want?<br>
<br>
It's just that giving you a full copy of each of the relevant types
of email message means that you get *all* the info about each
relevant drop-off, including not only the "who, what and when", but
also the checksums, sizes, notes, whether it was encrypted or not,
everything.<br>
You're bound to need more than the "who, what and when" at some
point in the future.<br>
<br>
Have a think. Talk to Kevin.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/04/2020 15:36, Branden Holloway
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I am not sure that is exactly what we are after but
i am not sure. We are trying to get an email that shows the
name, date and a list of files dropped off by
*@juneaupolice.com. If the emails you listed below would give
us that info then that would work. I am not sure it would be
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<blockquote type="cite">On Apr 6, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Jules
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jules@zend.to"><Jules@zend.to></a> wrote:<br>
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<div>Kevin,<br>
<br>
I've written the code, but haven't tested it yet. It's a
fairly simple set of changes, and 1 new preferences.php
setting (the archive email address to use).<br>
<br>
Here's what I have written in the Changelog and in
preferences.php:<br>
<br>
<tt>- Added new preferences.php setting
'archiveEmailAddress'. If this is not ''</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> and it contains an '@', then this address is
added to the "Bcc" list of</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> every email sent by ZendTo, except for those used
to verify remote senders.</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> It is '', and hence disabled, by default.</tt><br>
<br>
<tt> // If you need to keep a complete archive of emails
sent by ZendTo,</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> // excluding the ones used to verify external
senders,</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> // put the archive's email address in here. It
will be added to the</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> // Bcc list of every relevant email sent. If you
only want to archive</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> // some types of messages, simply apply some
Inbox filters to the mailbox</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> // that receives these archive copies.</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> // To disable this feature, leave this set to ''.</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 'archiveEmailAddress' => '',</tt><tt><br>
</tt><br>
<b>Branden</b> — Once you can confirm that this will do what
you need, let Kevin and I know and I'll get a beta version
released for you to try.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/04/2020 18:52, Kevin
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Brillian.
I like the BCC solution. That should be really easy
for them to do and they could have all they need and
more for perpetuity! I’m cc:ing my counterpart
there; I can work with him to get them lined out on
how this could work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks
much.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">...Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kevin
Miller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Network/email
Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">155
South Seward Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Juneau,
Alaska 99801<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Phone:
(907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4588 Registered
Linux User No: 307357<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
ZendTo
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jules via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 2, 2020 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jules <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>;
Kevin Miller
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:kevin.miller@juneau.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><kevin.miller@juneau.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Feature request...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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align="center"><span style="color:red">EXTERNAL
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Kevin,<br>
<br>
Always happy to help out the emergency services.
I've needed their help a few times in the past
myself. I've never had to call the coastguard,
mountain rescue or cave rescue, but I've used all
the obvious ones. Our county police force even has a
specialist animal rescue team (experts at getting
cows out of ditches among other things!).<br>
<br>
It looks pretty simple to write. It's basically a
matter of logging new drop-offs in more detail
(controlled by a preferences.php option that by
default will switch off the extra detail). Then a
new script run from a cron job that runs overnight,
pulls the relevant info from the last day's
zendto.log and sends a plain-text email of the
details.<br>
<br>
Or else I do it straight from the ZendTo database,
which would probably be a cleaner solution, and that
gets run as part of the overnight house-keeping cron
job.<br>
<br>
Can you find out exactly what information they want
about each drop-off?<br>
The obvious answer from what you've said is:<br>
- Sender username<br>
- Sender email<br>
- List of real names of the files<br>
- Date+time stamp of when the drop-off was created.<br>
<br>
Other potential things they might want to add:<br>
- List of recipient emails (if they mistyped an
email address and later the state said "but we never
got it", it makes working out why a lot easier)<br>
- Checksum of each file (if calculated).<br>
<br>
** There is a complete alternative to this:<br>
How about if you could give an extra email address
in preferences.php, and all "some files have been
dropped off for you" messages were also Bcc-ed to
that email address? Then you've got *all* the
details you could ever want, and normally it just
feeds into an "archive" mailbox of some sort. Then
when the need arises, someone can look through the
messages for the day they're interested in, or
search them any other way they like using their
email app.<br>
<br>
Have a chat to them and see how they would like to
go.<br>
Personally, the extra bcc address quietly added is
by far the easiest to implement, and would guarantee
they had all the info about each drop-off that they
might need. But it wouldn't be a neat little daily
table of what was sent that day. Depends on how they
want to use it, which is often different to how they
think they want to use it. Imagine 6 months in the
future: will someone really be reading that table
every day? Or would an archive of the emails be more
useful?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 02/04/2020 17:20, Kevin
Miller via ZendTo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It’s
not a show stopper but the Juneau Police
department is using zendto to upload evidence
to share it with the state or some such thing
and they want an audit trail to show what
officer uploaded what file when. But I can
appreciate the privacy aspect which is equally
important. Both myself and the IT guy there
think the way they’re going about it in a goofy
way so I can just say it’s not a feature
currently available and let it quietly fade into
the background.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks
for all you do…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">...Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kevin
Miller</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Network/email
Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">155
South Seward Street</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Juneau,
Alaska 99801</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Phone:
(907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4588 Registered
Linux User No: 307357</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
ZendTo
<a href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jules via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jules <a
href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>;
Kevin Miller
<a href="mailto:kevin.miller@juneau.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><kevin.miller@juneau.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Feature
request...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
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FOLLOWING LINKS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Kevin,<br>
<br>
Please can I ask "why?"<br>
<br>
That seems very intrusive to me, which is partly
why I don't even log that information.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 01/04/2020 23:11, Kevin
Miller via ZendTo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>I have a user wanting a daily report via email on the previous day's drop-offs. He says "We would need the Who, What and When. This is just to document so and so officer dropped of files x,y,z at whatever time. "<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I looked in zendto.log but it will note that Joe Blow dropped off 5 files, but not the specifics my user is looking for. Thought maybe it might be a nice addition to a future release.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>...Kevin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>--<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Kevin Miller<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>155 South Seward Street<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Juneau, Alaska 99801<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4588 Registered Linux User No: 307357<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Jules<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>'One of the deep secrets of life is that all that is really worth<o:p></o:p></pre>
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How heavily it dies
Into the west away;
Past touch and sight and sound
Not further to be found,
How hopeless under ground
Falls the remorseful day.' - A.E.Houseman
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules
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'The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made
out of atoms which it can use for something else.' - Eliezer Yudkowsky
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