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If you are using ClamAV 0.100 or later, and have a group called
"virusgroup" in your /etc/groups file, add your web server user
(www-data on Ubuntu/Debian systems) to the "virusgroup" user with
"groupadd".<br>
<br>
Then restart Apache and clamd and you will hopefully find things
have improved.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/11/2018 17:17, Scott Silva via
ZendTo wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As far as I
remember, that user and or group needs at least r or x
access up to the top level or it can’t get to that
directory. Maybe I am remembering wrong…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So would
probably need at least group access all the way to /var<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I could be
wrong, and if I am I’m sure someone will correct me…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> ZendTo
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to">mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pedrosi, Derek G. via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 6, 2018 7:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a>; Jules
Field <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"><Jules@Zend.To></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pedrosi, Derek G.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pedrosi@millercanfield.com"><pedrosi@millercanfield.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to ClamAV issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Looking to
close the loop on this…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Below I see
that permission is denied on the /var/zendto/drop-offs
folder.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This is the
permission settings for the failed directory.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">drwxr-xr-x 98
www-data www-data 4096 Nov 6 09:27 dropoffs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">This equates to 755
permissions, should I simply change this to 775
(rwxrwxr-x)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">derek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> ZendTo [<a
href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pedrosi, Derek G. via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 2, 2018 2:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jules Field <<a
href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To" moz-do-not-send="true">Jules@Zend.To</a>>;
ZendTo Users <<a href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pedrosi, Derek G. <<a
href="mailto:pedrosi@millercanfield.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">pedrosi@millercanfield.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to ClamAV issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="line-height:10.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#9C6500">CAUTION EXTERNAL
EMAIL:</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt"> DO NOT
open attachments or click links from unknown or unexpected
emails.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">First…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">www-data@Z5:~$
clamdscan /var/zendto/*<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/cache:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/dropoffs/5dycMCcTHEizrKuu:
lstat() failed: Permission denied. ERROR<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/dropoffs/Zhu56KMFUV7Rdabf:
lstat() failed: Permission denied. ERROR<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/dropoffs/GvdsUjMx7X7NKXPn:
lstat() failed: Permission denied. ERROR<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Many
of these drops failed the same way, I omitted them.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/incoming:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/library:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/rrd:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/templates_c:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/zendto.log:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/zendto.sqlite:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Then…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">clamdscan
--fdpass /var/zendto/*<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">www-data@Z5:~$
clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/cache:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/dropoffs:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/incoming:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/library:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/rrd:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/templates_c:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/zendto.log:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/zendto.sqlite:
OK<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-----------
SCAN SUMMARY -----------<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Infected
files: 0<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Time:
248.382 sec (4 m 8 s)<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">www-data@Z5:~$<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Heres this…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">root@Z5:/var/run#
ls -al /var/zendto<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">total
4512<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxrwxr-x
8 root www-data 4096 Nov 2 14:37 .<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x
15 root root 4096 Mar 5 2018 ..<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x
3 www-data www-data 4096 May 18 13:32 cache<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x
98 www-data www-data 4096 Nov 2 12:37 dropoffs<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x
2 www-data www-data 4096 Nov 2 12:37 incoming<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x
2 www-data www-data 4096 Feb 27 2018 library<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x
2 www-data www-data 4096 May 31 09:28 rrd<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x
2 www-data www-data 4096 Jun 21 10:39 templates_c<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-rw-r--r--
1 www-data www-data 4183705 Nov 2 14:37 zendto.log<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-rw-rw-r--
1 www-data www-data 382976 Nov 2 14:37 zendto.sqlite<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">root@Z5:/var/run#<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">And
/etc/group file entries…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">www-data:x:33:clamav<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">clamav:x:118:www-data<o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanx again,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">derek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Jules Field [</span><a
href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:Jules@Zend.To</a><span
style="color:windowtext">]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 2, 2018 1:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <</span><a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a><span
style="color:windowtext">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pedrosi, Derek G. <</span><a
href="mailto:pedrosi@millercanfield.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">pedrosi@millercanfield.com</a><span
style="color:windowtext">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to ClamAV issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div style="border:solid #9C6500 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt
2.0pt 2.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:10.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#9C6500">CAUTION EXTERNAL
EMAIL:</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt"> DO NOT
open attachments or click links from unknown or
unexpected emails.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Derek,<br>
<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"># Become root, properly</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New""><br>
<tt>sudo su -</tt><br>
<tt># Change Apache's login shell to /bin/bash</tt><br>
<tt>chsh -s /bin/bash www-data</tt><br>
<tt># Become the Apache user</tt><br>
<tt>su - www-data</tt><br>
<tt># Try virus-scanning the /var/zendto directory</tt><br>
<tt>clamdscan /var/zendto/*</tt><br>
<tt># And the same again but just using file handles</tt><br>
<tt>clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</tt><br>
<tt># Stop being Apache and revert to being root</tt><br>
<tt>exit</tt><br>
<tt># Put Apache's login shell back to what it was</tt><br>
<tt>chsh -s /sbin/nologin www-data</tt><br>
<tt># Stop being root</tt><br>
<tt>exit</tt></span><br>
<br>
Note the 2 clamav commands are clam<b>d</b>scan and not
just clamscan. That's critical. clamdscan makes the clamd
service/daemon do the actual scanning.<br>
<br>
Send us the output of the clamdscan commands.<br>
<br>
Then send us the output of "ls -al /var/zendto" and the
lines in your /etc/group file that are anything to do with
www-data, apache, virusgroup, clamd, anything like that.<br>
<br>
It's probably just the group membership is wrong. This
causes a similar problem in CentOS/RedHat 7 as well,
things changed there with ClamAV 100. 99 was fine, 100
wasn't.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 02/11/2018 15:33, Pedrosi, Derek
G. via ZendTo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m
still having this issue with ClamAV, and my *nix skill
are horrible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Can I
get the simple version of what I’m to do with
</span>"chsh www-data", <span style="font-size:12.0pt">as
I’ve been running without AV for several months</span>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">My
apache users is indeed “www-data”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:part8.84FFB618.035E5AF3@Zend.To"
alt="cid:image001.jpg@01D475B5.BD356330" class=""
width="403" height="136" border="0"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">derek</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ZendTo [<a
href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Erekson via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Keith Erekson <a
href="mailto:kbe2@lehigh.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><kbe2@lehigh.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to error during
drop-off<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:solid #9C6500 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt
2.0pt 2.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:10.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#9C6500">CAUTION
EXTERNAL EMAIL:</span></b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt"> DO NOT open attachments or
click links from unknown or unexpected emails.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman \,serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Easier
to use "chsh www-data" or whatever your Apache user
is.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">~Keith<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:41 AM, Jules Field via ZendTo
<<a href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Edit
your /etc/passwd file to set the shell for your
Apache user to /bin/bash.<br>
Then "pwconv" so the change takes effect.<br>
Then try this<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> su - apache</span></tt>
(or whatever user your Apache is running as)<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> clamdscan
/var/zendto/*</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New \,serif""><br>
</span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif""><br>
</span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> exit</span></tt><br>
What happened? Did the virus scans both complete
successfully?<br>
<br>
If not, and you're running CentOS/RedHat 7, try
this and then give the above another try:<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> groupmems
--group virusgroup --add apache</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif""><br>
</span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
systemctl restart httpd</span></tt><br>
<br>
I added that extra groupmems command to the
Installer a day or two ago when I discovered that
RedHat/CentOS had changed their group membership
rules in an update.<br>
<br>
Any improvement?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
P.S. Otherwise, if you can give me remote ssh
access I can login myself and take a look for you.
I would be interested to see what it is, if it's
not any of the above.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 25/10/2018 16:22, Ken
Etter wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div
id="GroupWiseSection_1540480867000_kle@msktd.com_1FEF159614D20000B1ED8700B3004500_">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yep, PHP 7.2 is
installed. I've run through the installer
multiple times now. No change, still get
the error.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ken<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="GroupWiseSection_1540480866000_kle@msktd.com_1FEF159614D20000B1ED8700B3004500_">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader">>>>
Jules Field </span><a
href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"> 10/25/2018
11:15 AM >>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">> Do you
have PHP 7.2 installed?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">My Installer
can be run in stages, and those stages
can be run independently.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">So you might
want to download the Installer, unpack
it and wander into it. In what will
obviously be the right sub-dir for
your OS, you will see the numbered
scripts.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#
cd install.ZendTo/CentOS-RedHat/
</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#
ls </span>
</tt><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">1-devtools.sh
3-clamav.sh 5-httpd-php.sh 7-zendto.sh
CentOS6 RHEL7
</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">2-php.sh
4-firewall.sh 6-email.sh 8-selinux.sh
RHEL5
</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#</span></tt><span
style="background:white">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">If your web
server is already working nicely, then
you can probably skip stage 1 (though
it won't do any harm).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">If you
haven't installed PHP 7.2 along with
things like the sodium extension, then
run stage 2 which installs PHP. (Grab
a backup copy of your ZendTo
installation first, as it may have to
remove the *whole* of PHP first which
can also remove ZendTo and other PHP
applications in the process, before it
can install the correct version).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Stages 3 and
5 shouldn't do any damage, but will
add any new settings they need for PHP
and so on.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Stage 7 does
the actual ZendTo installation itself,
which it will do as an upgrade if it
finds a zendto RPM already installed.
Well worth running.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Stage 8 is
only relevant if you are using
SELinux, and won't do anything if
you're not.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Since version
4, ZendTo no longer needs any form of
custom-built PHP or anything like
that. So there's no recompiling to be
done.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Then if you
have a previous preferences.php and/or
zendto.conf, you need to use</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_preferences_php</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_zendto_conf</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">to upgrade
those files.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Also, if you
have done an RPM upgrade from ZendTo
4, you probably have a whole stack of
*.rpmnew files in
/opt/zendto/templates. You want to
move each of those into place so they
replace your old *.tpl files.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">As I said, it
really is faster/easier/better to
build v5 from scratch, its
requirements are so different from v4.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Hope that
helps,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Jules.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">On 25/10/2018
15:59, Ken Etter wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div
id="GroupWiseSection_1540479424000_KLE@msktd.com_1FEF159614D20000B1ED8700B3004500_">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">None of
that helps. I'm building a new
system. This is a production
system. I never had problems in
the past with upgrading so I went
ahead and did it. Bad move. Unless
anyone has any other ideas, I will
just keep working on setting up
the new system. I have to get
something running again for my
users.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="background:white">>>>
Jules Field via ZendTo
</span></span><a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="background:white"><zendto@zend.to></span></a><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="background:white">
10/25/2018 10:53 AM >>></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">>
Yes, those directories do need
to be writable by whatever user
and group your web server is
running as.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">If
you are using SELinux (most
likely if you are using CentOS
or RedHat), then I would also
advise</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">restorecon
-FRv /opt/zendto /var/zendto</span></tt><span
style="background:white">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">to
reset all the SELinux
attributes to the values
configured by my Installer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Also,
if you think it might be an
SELinux problem, you can
switch it into "permissive"
mode by</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">setenforce
permissive
</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart httpd
</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart clamd@scan</span></tt><span
style="background:white">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">To
switch it back to "enforcing",
you then do</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">setenforce
enforcing
</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart httpd
</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart clamd@scan</span></tt><span
style="background:white">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Jules.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">On
25/10/2018 14:31, Gray McCord
via ZendTo wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">I’ve
seen that message as well.
Check the file permissions
on the /opt/zendto
directories. Seems like I
needed to make them
writeable by the apache
user, but I could be
mistaken.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Gray
McCord</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Adapt, Mutate, Migrate, or Die</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;background:white">-C.
Darwin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="background:white">From:</span></b><span style="background:white">
ZendTo
</span><a
href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="background:white"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></span></a><span
style="background:white">
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken
Etter via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
October 25, 2018 8:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo List </span><a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="background:white"><zendto@zend.to></span></a><span
style="background:white"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ken Etter </span><a
href="mailto:KLE@msktd.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="background:white"><KLE@msktd.com></span></a><span
style="background:white"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[ZendTo] Zend.to error
during drop-off</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Going
back through the mailing
list archives, I see
that I am having exactly
the same problem as
Kevin O'Connor in this
thread:
</span><a
href="https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjul.es%2Fpipermail%2Fzendto%2F2018-June%2F003208.html&data=01%7C01%7CJules%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7Ca244c38af7594fe02f4008d63a8489e3%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C1&sdata=%2FMQVOSO5ZjLwkrQ991eChCvoSfFOLwm3yUcnFSzoRc0%3D&reserved=0"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">http://jul.es/pipermail/zendto/2018-June/003208.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Files
are uploaded, but I get
that error message and
the email is not sent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">There
is no stated resolution
in that thread. Any
suggestions or do I have
to rebuild a brand new
Zend.To server?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Zend.To
has been fairly solid
for me...a bit of a pain
to find this upgrade to
be so fragile.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>>> Ken Etter via
ZendTo <</span></span><a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">zendto@zend.to</span></a><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>
10/25/2018 8:38 AM
>>></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">I am running this on Ubuntu
16.04.5 LTS if that
matters.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white"><br>
Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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id="GroupWiseSection_1540470843000_KLE@msktd.com_1FEF159614D20000B1ED8700B3004500_">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>>> Ken Etter via
ZendTo <</span></span><a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">zendto@zend.to</span></a><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>
10/25/2018 8:36 AM
>>></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Just upgraded my Zend.To
installation from 4.x
to 5.15-1. Everything
appeared to go ok. But
when I click drop-off
files, I get an error
that states: "Sorry, I
failed to drop-off
your files! Note that
you cannot drop-off
directories, only
files." I'm not
dropping off a
directory, just a
single file. I tried a
couple different file
types - same error
each time. Any
suggestions for fixing
this? Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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style="margin-bottom:3.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:white">Ken
Etter</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:white">,
System Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<pre>'It's very unlikely indeed he will ever recover consciousness, and<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> if he does he won't be the Julian you knew.'<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> - A hospital consultant I proved very wrong in 2007 :-)<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> my children, I would be burning the rain forest too.' - Sting<o:p></o:p></pre>
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