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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/11/2018 17:24, Gray McCord via
      ZendTo wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">It’s likely that the clamscan user does not
          have write access to /var/zendto/drop-offs. I think it is
          clamd that actually writes the file to the drop-off folder
          once it’s been analyzed, and as such needs write permission to
          do so.<o:p></o:p></p>
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    No it's not. ZendTo writes files. clamd only reads them.<br>
    <br>
    clamd needs to be able to read the contents of the
    /var/zendto/incoming directory (and the files in there).<br>
    <br>
    There was a change in ClamAV x.x.100 (can't remember what the values
    of x.x are, it's the 100 that's the important bit).<br>
    You need to add a user to a group.<br>
    <br>
    On CentOS / RedHat, it's this:<br>
    <tt>    groupmems --group virusgroup --add apache</tt><br>
    <br>
    On Ubuntu / Debian, it should be something very similar. Check your
    /etc/group file for a "virusgroup" group. If that exists, then you
    probably want<br>
    <tt>    groupmems --group virusgroup --add www-data<br>
    </tt><tt></tt><br>
    Then restart Apache and clamd and see if that helps.<br>
    <br>
    Cheers,<br>
    Jules.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:WM!fe508d09b5023d458dfb38b924ce4a8ba280353277caf896376344b444943828a21f5468b3aecaa5b6dfe4163c77a1f3!@mx.jul.es">
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I suggest two things <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Give the “www-data” group write access to
          the drop-offs directory<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Add the “clamscan” user to the “www-data”
          group so that clamd can write to the drop-offs folder (check
          to make sure that “clamscan” is your clam user.)<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif">Good Luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif">Gray<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gray
                    McCord</span><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#E36C0A">Adapt,
                      Mutate, Migrate, or Die</span></i><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#E36C0A">                                                         
            -C. Darwin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt">ZendTo
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></a> on behalf of Scott Silva
              via ZendTo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
              <b>Reply-To: </b>ZendTo Users <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 12:17 PM<br>
              <b>To: </b>'ZendTo Users' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>Scott Silva <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ssilva@sgvwater.com"><ssilva@sgvwater.com></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>{Disarmed} Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to ClamAV
              issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As far as I
            remember, that user and or group needs at least r or x
            access up to the top level or it can’t get to that
            directory. Maybe I am remembering wrong…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So would
            probably need at least group access all the way to /var</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I could be
            wrong, and if I am I’m sure someone will correct me…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ZendTo
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to">mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pedrosi,
              Derek G. via ZendTo<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 6, 2018 7:00 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a>; Jules
              Field <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"><Jules@Zend.To></a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Pedrosi, Derek G.
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pedrosi@millercanfield.com"><pedrosi@millercanfield.com></a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to ClamAV issue<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Looking to
            close the loop on this…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Below I see
            that permission is denied on the /var/zendto/drop-offs
            folder.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This is the
            permission settings for the failed directory.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">drwxr-xr-x 98
            www-data www-data    4096 Nov  6 09:27 dropoffs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">This equates to 755
                    permissions, should I simply change this to 775
                    (rwxrwxr-x)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">derek</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ZendTo [<a
                href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"
                moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to</a>]
              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pedrosi, Derek G. via ZendTo<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 2, 2018 2:48 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Jules Field <<a href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
                moz-do-not-send="true">Jules@Zend.To</a>>; ZendTo
              Users <<a href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
                moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Pedrosi, Derek G. <<a
                href="mailto:pedrosi@millercanfield.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">pedrosi@millercanfield.com</a>><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to ClamAV issue<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            style="line-height:10.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><span
                style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#9C6500">CAUTION EXTERNAL
                EMAIL:</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt"> DO NOT
              open attachments or click links from unknown or unexpected
              emails.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">First…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">www-data@Z5:~$
                clamdscan /var/zendto/*</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/cache:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/dropoffs/5dycMCcTHEizrKuu:
                lstat() failed: Permission denied. ERROR</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/dropoffs/Zhu56KMFUV7Rdabf:
                lstat() failed: Permission denied. ERROR</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/dropoffs/GvdsUjMx7X7NKXPn:
                lstat() failed: Permission denied. ERROR</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Many
                of these drops failed the same way, I omitted them.</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/incoming:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/library:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/rrd:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/templates_c:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/zendto.log:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/zendto.sqlite:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Then…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">clamdscan
                --fdpass /var/zendto/*</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">www-data@Z5:~$
                clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/cache:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/dropoffs:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/incoming:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/library:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/rrd:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/templates_c:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/zendto.log:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">/var/zendto/zendto.sqlite:
                OK</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-----------
                SCAN SUMMARY -----------</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Infected
                files: 0</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Time:
                248.382 sec (4 m 8 s)</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">www-data@Z5:~$</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Heres this…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">root@Z5:/var/run#
                ls -al /var/zendto</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">total
                4512</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxrwxr-x 
                8 root     www-data    4096 Nov  2 14:37 .</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x
                15 root     root        4096 Mar  5  2018 ..</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x 
                3 www-data www-data    4096 May 18 13:32 cache</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x
                98 www-data www-data    4096 Nov  2 12:37 dropoffs</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x 
                2 www-data www-data    4096 Nov  2 12:37 incoming</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x 
                2 www-data www-data    4096 Feb 27  2018 library</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x 
                2 www-data www-data    4096 May 31 09:28 rrd</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">drwxr-xr-x 
                2 www-data www-data    4096 Jun 21 10:39 templates_c</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-rw-r--r-- 
                1 www-data www-data 4183705 Nov  2 14:37 zendto.log</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-rw-rw-r-- 
                1 www-data www-data  382976 Nov  2 14:37 zendto.sqlite</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">root@Z5:/var/run#</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">And
              /etc/group file entries…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">www-data:x:33:clamav</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">clamav:x:118:www-data</span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanx again,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">derek</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
              1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jules Field [<a
                  href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:Jules@Zend.To</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 2, 2018 1:24 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <<a
                  href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Pedrosi, Derek G. <<a
                  href="mailto:pedrosi@millercanfield.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">pedrosi@millercanfield.com</a>><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to ClamAV issue<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <div style="border:solid #9C6500 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt
            2.0pt 2.0pt">
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="line-height:10.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><span
                  style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#9C6500">CAUTION EXTERNAL
                  EMAIL:</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt"> DO NOT
                open attachments or click links from unknown or
                unexpected emails.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Derek,<br>
              <br>
              <tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"># Become root, properly</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                New""><br>
                <tt>sudo su -</tt><br>
                <tt># Change Apache's login shell to /bin/bash</tt><br>
                <tt>chsh -s /bin/bash www-data</tt><br>
                <tt># Become the Apache user</tt><br>
                <tt>su - www-data</tt><br>
                <tt># Try virus-scanning the /var/zendto directory</tt><br>
                <tt>clamdscan /var/zendto/*</tt><br>
                <tt># And the same again but just using file handles</tt><br>
                <tt>clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</tt><br>
                <tt># Stop being Apache and revert to being root</tt><br>
                <tt>exit</tt><br>
                <tt># Put Apache's login shell back to what it was</tt><br>
                <tt>chsh -s /sbin/nologin www-data</tt><br>
                <tt># Stop being root</tt><br>
                <tt>exit</tt></span><br>
              <br>
              Note the 2 clamav commands are clam<b>d</b>scan and not
              just clamscan. That's critical. clamdscan makes the clamd
              service/daemon do the actual scanning.<br>
              <br>
              Send us the output of the clamdscan commands.<br>
              <br>
              Then send us the output of "ls -al /var/zendto" and the
              lines in your /etc/group file that are anything to do with
              www-data, apache, virusgroup, clamd, anything like that.<br>
              <br>
              It's probably just the group membership is wrong. This
              causes a similar problem in CentOS/RedHat 7 as well,
              things changed there with ClamAV 100. 99 was fine, 100
              wasn't.<br>
              <br>
              Cheers,<br>
              Jules.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">On 02/11/2018 15:33, Pedrosi, Derek
                G. via ZendTo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m
                  still having this issue with ClamAV, and my *nix skill
                  are horrible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Can I
                  get the simple version of what I’m to do with </span>"chsh
                www-data",  <span style="font-size:12.0pt">as I’ve been
                  running without AV for several months</span>.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">My
                  apache users is indeed “www-data”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><img
                  style="width:4.1979in;height:1.4166in"
                  id="Picture_x0020_1"
                  src="cid:image001.jpg@01D4768C.6CA26CB0"
                  alt="cid:image001.jpg@01D475B5.BD356330"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" width="403" height="136"
                  border="0"><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">derek</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                  1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ZendTo [<a
                      href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to</a>]
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Erekson via ZendTo<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:14 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <a
                      href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Keith Erekson <a
                      href="mailto:kbe2@lehigh.edu"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><kbe2@lehigh.edu></a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to error during
                    drop-off<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div style="border:solid #9C6500 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt
                2.0pt 2.0pt">
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="line-height:10.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><span
                      style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#9C6500">CAUTION
                      EXTERNAL EMAIL:</span></b><span
                    style="font-size:8.0pt"> DO NOT open attachments or
                    click links from unknown or unexpected emails.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman \,serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Easier
                    to use "chsh www-data" or whatever your Apache user
                    is.<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div id="AppleMailSignature">
                  <p class="MsoNormal">~Keith<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                    On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:41 AM, Jules Field via ZendTo
                    <<a href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Edit
                      your /etc/passwd file to set the shell for your
                      Apache user to /bin/bash.<br>
                      Then "pwconv" so the change takes effect.<br>
                      Then try this<br>
                      <tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">    su - apache</span></tt>
                      (or whatever user your Apache is running as)<br>
                      <tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">    clamdscan
                          /var/zendto/*</span></tt><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                        New \,serif""><br>
                      </span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">   
                          clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif""><br>
                      </span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">    exit</span></tt><br>
                      What happened? Did the virus scans both complete
                      successfully?<br>
                      <br>
                      If not, and you're running CentOS/RedHat 7, try
                      this and then give the above another try:<br>
                      <tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">    groupmems
                          --group virusgroup --add apache</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif""><br>
                      </span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt">   
                          systemctl restart httpd</span></tt><br>
                      <br>
                      I added that extra groupmems command to the
                      Installer a day or two ago when I discovered that
                      RedHat/CentOS had changed their group membership
                      rules in an update.<br>
                      <br>
                      Any improvement?<br>
                      <br>
                      Cheers,<br>
                      Jules.<br>
                      <br>
                      P.S. Otherwise, if you can give me remote ssh
                      access I can login myself and take a look for you.
                      I would be interested to see what it is, if it's
                      not any of the above.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 25/10/2018 16:22, Ken
                        Etter wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote
                      style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                      <div
id="GroupWiseSection_1540480867000_kle@msktd.com_1FEF159614D20000B1ED8700B3004500_">
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Yep, PHP 7.2 is
                            installed.  I've run through the installer
                            multiple times now.  No change, still get
                            the error.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Ken<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div
id="GroupWiseSection_1540480866000_kle@msktd.com_1FEF159614D20000B1ED8700B3004500_">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              class="groupwisereplyheader">>>>
                              Jules Field </span><a
                              href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a><span
                              class="groupwisereplyheader"> 10/25/2018
                              11:15 AM >>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="background:white">> Do you
                                have PHP 7.2 installed? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">My Installer
                                  can be run in stages, and those stages
                                  can be run independently.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">So you might
                                  want to download the Installer, unpack
                                  it and wander into it. In what will
                                  obviously be the right sub-dir for
                                  your OS, you will see the numbered
                                  scripts.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#
                                  cd install.ZendTo/CentOS-RedHat/ </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#
                                  ls </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">1-devtools.sh
                                  3-clamav.sh 5-httpd-php.sh 7-zendto.sh
                                  CentOS6 RHEL7 </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">2-php.sh
                                  4-firewall.sh 6-email.sh 8-selinux.sh
                                  RHEL5 </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#</span></tt><span
                                style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">If your web
                                  server is already working nicely, then
                                  you can probably skip stage 1 (though
                                  it won't do any harm).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">If you
                                  haven't installed PHP 7.2 along with
                                  things like the sodium extension, then
                                  run stage 2 which installs PHP. (Grab
                                  a backup copy of your ZendTo
                                  installation first, as it may have to
                                  remove the *whole* of PHP first which
                                  can also remove ZendTo and other PHP
                                  applications in the process, before it
                                  can install the correct version).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">Stages 3 and
                                  5 shouldn't do any damage, but will
                                  add any new settings they need for PHP
                                  and so on.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">Stage 7 does
                                  the actual ZendTo installation itself,
                                  which it will do as an upgrade if it
                                  finds a zendto RPM already installed.
                                  Well worth running.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">Stage 8 is
                                  only relevant if you are using
                                  SELinux, and won't do anything if
                                  you're not.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">Since version
                                  4, ZendTo no longer needs any form of
                                  custom-built PHP or anything like
                                  that. So there's no recompiling to be
                                  done.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">Then if you
                                  have a previous preferences.php and/or
                                  zendto.conf, you need to use</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_preferences_php</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_zendto_conf</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">to upgrade
                                  those files.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">Also, if you
                                  have done an RPM upgrade from ZendTo
                                  4, you probably have a whole stack of
                                  *.rpmnew files in
                                  /opt/zendto/templates. You want to
                                  move each of those into place so they
                                  replace your old *.tpl files.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">As I said, it
                                  really is faster/easier/better to
                                  build v5 from scratch, its
                                  requirements are so different from v4.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">Hope that
                                  helps,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">Jules.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="background:white">On 25/10/2018
                                  15:59, Ken Etter wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="background:white">None of
                                      that helps. I'm building a new
                                      system. This is a production
                                      system. I never had problems in
                                      the past with upgrading so I went
                                      ahead and did it. Bad move. Unless
                                      anyone has any other ideas, I will
                                      just keep working on setting up
                                      the new system. I have to get
                                      something running again for my
                                      users.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="background:white">Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
                                        style="background:white">>>>
                                        Jules Field via ZendTo </span></span><a
                                      href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                        style="background:white"><zendto@zend.to></span></a><span
                                      class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
                                        style="background:white">
                                        10/25/2018 10:53 AM >>></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="background:white">>
                                        Yes, those directories do need
                                        to be writable by whatever user
                                        and group your web server is
                                        running as. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white">If
                                          you are using SELinux (most
                                          likely if you are using CentOS
                                          or RedHat), then I would also
                                          advise</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">restorecon
                                          -FRv /opt/zendto /var/zendto</span></tt><span
                                        style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white">to
                                          reset all the SELinux
                                          attributes to the values
                                          configured by my Installer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white">Also,
                                          if you think it might be an
                                          SELinux problem, you can
                                          switch it into "permissive"
                                          mode by</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">setenforce
                                          permissive </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
                                          restart httpd </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
                                          restart clamd@scan</span></tt><span
                                        style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white">To
                                          switch it back to "enforcing",
                                          you then do</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">setenforce
                                          enforcing </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
                                          restart httpd </span></tt><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
                                          restart clamd@scan</span></tt><span
                                        style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white">Jules.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="background:white">On
                                          25/10/2018 14:31, Gray McCord
                                          via ZendTo wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
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                                      style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="background:white">I’ve
                                            seen that message as well.
                                            Check the file permissions
                                            on the /opt/zendto
                                            directories. Seems like I
                                            needed to make them
                                            writeable by the apache
                                            user, but I could be
                                            mistaken.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="background:white">Gray
                                              McCord</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Adapt, Mutate, Migrate, or Die</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-size:9.0pt;background:white">-C.
                                              Darwin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="background:white">From:</span></b><span style="background:white">
                                                ZendTo </span><a
                                                href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="background:white"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></span></a><span
                                                style="background:white">
                                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken
                                                Etter via ZendTo<br>
                                                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                                                October 25, 2018 8:26 AM<br>
                                                <b>To:</b> ZendTo List </span><a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                  style="background:white"><zendto@zend.to></span></a><span
                                                style="background:white"><br>
                                                <b>Cc:</b> Ken Etter </span><a
href="mailto:KLE@msktd.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                  style="background:white"><KLE@msktd.com></span></a><span
                                                style="background:white"><br>
                                                <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                [ZendTo] Zend.to error
                                                during drop-off</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Going
                                                back through the mailing
                                                list archives, I see
                                                that I am having exactly
                                                the same problem as
                                                Kevin O'Connor in this
                                                thread: </span><a
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Files
                                                are uploaded, but I get
                                                that error message and
                                                the email is not sent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">There
                                                is no stated resolution
                                                in that thread. Any
                                                suggestions or do I have
                                                to rebuild a brand new
                                                Zend.To server?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Zend.To
                                                has been fairly solid
                                                for me...a bit of a pain
                                                to find this upgrade to
                                                be so fragile.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>>> Ken Etter via
                                                  ZendTo <</span></span><a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">zendto@zend.to</span></a><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
                                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>
                                                  10/25/2018 8:38 AM
                                                  >>></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">I am running this on Ubuntu
                                                  16.04.5 LTS if that
                                                  matters.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white"><br>
                                                  Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>>> Ken Etter via
                                                  ZendTo <</span></span><a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">zendto@zend.to</span></a><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
                                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>
                                                  10/25/2018 8:36 AM
                                                  >>></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Just upgraded my Zend.To
                                                  installation from 4.x
                                                  to 5.15-1. Everything
                                                  appeared to go ok. But
                                                  when I click drop-off
                                                  files, I get an error
                                                  that states: "Sorry, I
                                                  failed to drop-off
                                                  your files! Note that
                                                  you cannot drop-off
                                                  directories, only
                                                  files." I'm not
                                                  dropping off a
                                                  directory, just a
                                                  single file. I tried a
                                                  couple different file
                                                  types - same error
                                                  each time. Any
                                                  suggestions for fixing
                                                  this? Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                    System Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <pre><span style="background:white">_______________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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                                    <pre><span style="background:white">'The past is supposed to be a place of reference, not a place of</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="background:white">residence! There is a reason why your car has a big windshield and</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="background:white">a small rearview mirror. You are supposed to keep your eyes on where</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="background:white">you are going, and just occasionally check out where you have been.'</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="background:white">  - Willie Jolley</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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                            <pre><span style="background:white">IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational religious</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination,</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">distribution or copying of this email is not authorised (either</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social faux</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">pas.</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">Unless the word absquatulation has been used in its correct context</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">somewhere other than in this warning, it does not have any legal</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">or no grammatical use and may be ignored. No animals were harmed</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">in the transmission of this email, although the kelpie next door</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. Those of you with an</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">overwhelming fear of the unknown will be gratified to learn that</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">there is no hidden message revealed by reading this warning backwards,</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">so just ignore that Alert Notice from Microsoft.</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">However, by pouring a complete circle of salt around yourself and</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">your computer you can ensure that no harm befalls you and your pets.</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">If you have received this email in error, please add some nutmeg</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><span style="background:white">and egg whites, whisk and place in a warm oven for 40 minutes.</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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                    <pre>'It's very unlikely indeed he will ever recover consciousness, and<o:p></o:p></pre>
                    <pre> if he does he won't be the Julian you knew.'<o:p></o:p></pre>
                    <pre>  - A hospital consultant I proved very wrong in 2007 :-)<o:p></o:p></pre>
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'There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world;
 and that is an idea whose time has come.'

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