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Derek,<br>
<br>
<tt># Become root, properly</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>sudo su -</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt># Change Apache's login shell to /bin/bash</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>chsh -s /bin/bash www-data</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt># Become the Apache user</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>su - www-data</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt># Try virus-scanning the /var/zendto directory</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>clamdscan /var/zendto/*</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt># And the same again but just using file handles</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt># Stop being Apache and revert to being root</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>exit</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt># Put Apache's login shell back to what it was</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>chsh -s /sbin/nologin www-data</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt># Stop being root</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>exit</tt><br>
<br>
Note the 2 clamav commands are clam<b>d</b>scan and not just
clamscan. That's critical. clamdscan makes the clamd service/daemon
do the actual scanning.<br>
<br>
Send us the output of the clamdscan commands.<br>
<br>
Then send us the output of "ls -al /var/zendto" and the lines in
your /etc/group file that are anything to do with www-data, apache,
virusgroup, clamd, anything like that.<br>
<br>
It's probably just the group membership is wrong. This causes a
similar problem in CentOS/RedHat 7 as well, things changed there
with ClamAV 100. 99 was fine, 100 wasn't.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/11/2018 15:33, Pedrosi, Derek G.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">I’m still having this issue
with ClamAV, and my *nix skill are horrible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">Can I get the simple
version of what I’m to do with
</span>"chsh www-data", <span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">as I’ve been running
without AV for several months</span>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">My apache users is indeed
“www-data”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:part1.B8EA25C2.75742A84@Zend.To" class=""
width="403" height="136"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">derek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ZendTo
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to">mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Keith Erekson via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo Users <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Keith Erekson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kbe2@lehigh.edu"><kbe2@lehigh.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to error during drop-off<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="line-height:10.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><span
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EMAIL:</span></b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black"> DO NOT open
attachments or click links from unknown or unexpected
emails.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Easier to
use "chsh www-data" or whatever your Apache user is.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~Keith<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:41 AM, Jules Field via ZendTo <<a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Edit
your /etc/passwd file to set the shell for your Apache
user to /bin/bash.<br>
Then "pwconv" so the change takes effect.<br>
Then try this<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> su - apache</span></tt>
(or whatever user your Apache is running as)<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> clamdscan
/var/zendto/*</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New",serif"><br>
<tt> clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</tt><br>
<tt> exit</tt></span><br>
What happened? Did the virus scans both complete
successfully?<br>
<br>
If not, and you're running CentOS/RedHat 7, try this and
then give the above another try:<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> groupmems --group
virusgroup --add apache</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New",serif"><br>
<tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt></span><br>
<br>
I added that extra groupmems command to the Installer a
day or two ago when I discovered that RedHat/CentOS had
changed their group membership rules in an update.<br>
<br>
Any improvement?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
P.S. Otherwise, if you can give me remote ssh access I
can login myself and take a look for you. I would be
interested to see what it is, if it's not any of the
above.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 25/10/2018 16:22, Ken Etter
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yep, PHP 7.2 is installed.
I've run through the installer multiple times
now. No change, still get the error.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ken<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader">>>> Jules
Field <a href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<Jules@Zend.To></a> 10/25/2018 11:15 AM
>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">> Do you have PHP
7.2 installed?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">My Installer can be
run in stages, and those stages can be run
independently.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">So you might want
to download the Installer, unpack it and
wander into it. In what will obviously be
the right sub-dir for your OS, you will see
the numbered scripts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#
cd install.ZendTo/CentOS-RedHat/
</span></tt><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#
ls </span>
</tt><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">1-devtools.sh
3-clamav.sh 5-httpd-php.sh 7-zendto.sh
CentOS6 RHEL7
</span></tt><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">2-php.sh
4-firewall.sh 6-email.sh 8-selinux.sh RHEL5
</span></tt><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#</span></tt><span
style="background:white">
</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">If your web server
is already working nicely, then you can
probably skip stage 1 (though it won't do
any harm).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">If you haven't
installed PHP 7.2 along with things like the
sodium extension, then run stage 2 which
installs PHP. (Grab a backup copy of your
ZendTo installation first, as it may have to
remove the *whole* of PHP first which can
also remove ZendTo and other PHP
applications in the process, before it can
install the correct version).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Stages 3 and 5
shouldn't do any damage, but will add any
new settings they need for PHP and so on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Stage 7 does the
actual ZendTo installation itself, which it
will do as an upgrade if it finds a zendto
RPM already installed. Well worth running.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Stage 8 is only
relevant if you are using SELinux, and won't
do anything if you're not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Since version 4,
ZendTo no longer needs any form of
custom-built PHP or anything like that. So
there's no recompiling to be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Then if you have a
previous preferences.php and/or zendto.conf,
you need to use<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_preferences_php<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_zendto_conf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">to upgrade those
files.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Also, if you have
done an RPM upgrade from ZendTo 4, you
probably have a whole stack of *.rpmnew
files in /opt/zendto/templates. You want to
move each of those into place so they
replace your old *.tpl files.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">As I said, it
really is faster/easier/better to build v5
from scratch, its requirements are so
different from v4.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Hope that helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Jules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">On 25/10/2018
15:59, Ken Etter wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">None of that
helps. I'm building a new system. This
is a production system. I never had
problems in the past with upgrading so I
went ahead and did it. Bad move. Unless
anyone has any other ideas, I will just
keep working on setting up the new
system. I have to get something running
again for my users.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="background:white">>>>
Jules Field via ZendTo
<a href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a>
10/25/2018 10:53 AM >>></span></span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">> Yes,
those directories do need to be
writable by whatever user and group
your web server is running as.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">If you are
using SELinux (most likely if you
are using CentOS or RedHat), then I
would also advise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">restorecon
-FRv /opt/zendto /var/zendto</span></tt><span
style="background:white">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">to reset
all the SELinux attributes to the
values configured by my Installer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Also, if
you think it might be an SELinux
problem, you can switch it into
"permissive" mode by<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">setenforce
permissive
</span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart httpd
</span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart clamd@scan</span></tt><span
style="background:white">
</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif;background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">To switch
it back to "enforcing", you then do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">setenforce
enforcing
</span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart httpd
</span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart clamd@scan</span></tt><span
style="background:white">
</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif;background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Jules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">On
25/10/2018 14:31, Gray McCord via
ZendTo wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">I’ve seen
that message as well. Check the
file permissions on the
/opt/zendto directories. Seems
like I needed to make them
writeable by the apache user, but
I could be mistaken.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Gray
McCord<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Adapt,
Mutate, Migrate, or Die</span></i><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;background:white">-C.
Darwin</span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="background:white">From:</span></b><span
style="background:white">
ZendTo
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<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Ken Etter via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October
25, 2018 8:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo List <a
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<b>Cc:</b> Ken Etter <a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><KLE@msktd.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo]
Zend.to error during drop-off<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Going
back through the mailing list
archives, I see that I am
having exactly the same
problem as Kevin O'Connor in
this thread:
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http://jul.es/pipermail/zendto/2018-June/003208.html</a></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Files
are uploaded, but I get that
error message and the email is
not sent.</span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">There
is no stated resolution in
that thread. Any suggestions
or do I have to rebuild a
brand new Zend.To server?</span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Zend.To
has been fairly solid for
me...a bit of a pain to find
this upgrade to be so fragile.</span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Ken</span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>>> Ken Etter via
ZendTo <<a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>>
10/25/2018 8:38 AM
>>></span></span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">I
am running this on Ubuntu
16.04.5 LTS if that matters.</span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Ken</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">>>> Ken Etter via
ZendTo <<a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>>
10/25/2018 8:36 AM
>>></span></span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Just
upgraded my Zend.To
installation from 4.x to
5.15-1. Everything appeared
to go ok. But when I click
drop-off files, I get an
error that states: "Sorry, I
failed to drop-off your
files! Note that you cannot
drop-off directories, only
files." I'm not dropping off
a directory, just a single
file. I tried a couple
different file types - same
error each time. Any
suggestions for fixing this?
Thanks!</span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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System Administrator</span><span
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