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Ken,<br>
<br>
That's a cracker! "Modifying /etc/hosts for fun and profit!" Or not.<br>
<br>
The good bit is that we got to the bottom of it in the end.<br>
<br>
Given the time of year, I was starting to wonder if your VMs were
haunted..... :-)<br>
<br>
That's given me a good laugh this morning, thank you! ;-)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/10/2018 17:27, Ken Etter wrote:<br>
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<div>Unbelievable! I have been so stupid! Sorry to have wasted
your time Jules! I owe you one!</div>
<div>I have no idea what went wrong with the upgrade...probably
something screwy left over.</div>
<div>But I now see why the new installs kept failing...</div>
<div>I much prefer using SLES over Ubuntu. I was still using
Ubuntu for Zend.To as a hold-over from the days you provided
pre-built VMs. Thinking I was screwing up my Ubuntu install
somehow, I setup SLES and got the exact same error. That made
no sense, I couldn't be screwing up both...then it struck me!
Since my existing production Zend.To site is up and running
and I don't want to change the site name, I was testing the
new sites using the ip address instead of the site name. I
modified my hosts file to point to my new server and used the
site name to get to it and all works - no error. Tried it
with both the Ubuntu and SLES new setups and both work. I
can't believe I have been so dense. <sigh></div>
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<div>I started with that because I already had a downloaded
copy.</div>
<div>I just completed another test install and got the same
results - error - failed to drop-off files.</div>
<div>I'll send the files off list. Thanks.<br>
<br>
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<div><span class="GroupwiseReplyHeader">>>> Jules
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"
text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">> Ken,
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I only changed the FQDN to set the domain name. As
Ubuntu set itself up, I didn't appear to have a domain
name set, so "hostname --fqdn" was just giving
"kenetter" as it had no domain name. So I set the
domain name as per those instructions in order to get
a fully-qualified name out of "hostname --fqdn" before
starting to install ZendTo.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> If the ZendTo Installer cannot deduce a likely DNS
domain name, it tends to make some wrong decisions
when setting up the preferences.php and
internaldomains.conf files. For a pain-free
installation, I tend to set that first, so that at
least it has *a* domain name, even if it's not the
same one as the website is going to have. Having the
output of "hostname --fqdn" contain no dots at all is
not a good sign of a "well setup" server. :)</div>
<div> </div>
<div> That actual hostname and such like is irrelevant
to ZendTo. What's important is that the serverRoot in
preferences.php matches up with what Apache thinks
it's serving it as.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> You can put ZendTo on a server that has lots of
other sites on it as well, that's no problem at all.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Do you want to send me (off list) your Apache
config for ZendTo, in addition to the preferences.php,
zendto.conf and internaldomains.conf files? It's
either something odd in there, or else your Ubuntu
16.04.3 system isn't anything like as "vanilla" as you
think it is.</div>
<div> Out of interest, why start with 16.04.3? That's
not the latest 16.04 media available from Canonical, I
had to go and hunt for it to reproduce your steps.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>Jules,</div>
<div>Something doesn't seem clear here. You mention
changing the FQDN of the server. Why should that
even be necessary? I run multiple web servers on
the same server and the site addresses do not have
anything at all to do with the server name or the
server FQDN. For ZendTo to work properly does the
site address have to match the server FQDN?</div>
<div><br>
Ken<br>
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Field <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>
10/26/2018 7:26 AM >>><br>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">>
Ken,
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I have just built a ZendTo VM from
scratch using the exact same version of
Ubuntu you did, and the current production
release of ZendTo (as installed by my
Installer).</div>
<div> It worked absolutely fine for me.</div>
<div> Attached is the PDF log of what I did,
so you can read through it.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I didn't have to change the server name,
as I had already set the FQDN to the same
name in the Ubuntu networking setup (as
documented in the PDF).</div>
<div> And I didn't touch *anything* after
running the Installer, including
zendto.conf, preferences.php and the Apache
config.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I would be starting to suspect your
preferences.php settings. What happens if
you check the serverRoot is right, and make
sure that Apache config matches. Otherwise
just use the preferences.php as the
Installer leaves it.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> On a VM with only 1GB, the current
production release probably won't be able to
encrypt a drop-off. I've reduced the memory
requirements for that in the latest betas,
but in the mean time you will probably need
at least 2GB RAM to be able to use
encryption.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/10/2018
09:20, Jules Field wrote:<br>
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<div> </div>
<div> This is really odd. I did thoroughly
test the Installer on every supported
version of every flavour of Linux that I
say it works on. I've got dozens of old
VMs to prove it. :-/</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I'm downloading 16.04.3 (amd64) right
now, and will walk through the same steps
as you listed below.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I'll let you know the results as soon
as I've built it.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>Jules,</div>
<div>I just finished setting up a brand
new VM and I get the same error
message! This makes no sense! Any
thoughts?</div>
<div>* installed Ubuntu 16.04.3 as a
basic server</div>
<div>* configured networking</div>
<div>* installed openssh-server</div>
<div>* patched server to 16.04.5</div>
<div>* downloaded your installer and ran
it</div>
<div> used most defaults except I had to
specify the smtp server and the
address of the site</div>
<div> the site address defaulted to <a
href="https://server_name"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://server_name</a>
and I changed it to <a
href="https://transfer.msktd.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://transfer.msktd.com</a></div>
<div>* modified preferences.php and
zendto.conf for my settings</div>
<div>* reboot</div>
<div>* login to site and attempt a drop
off and I get the same error as my
upgraded site</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What could possibly be wrong in
what I did?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ken<br>
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10/25/2018 11:41 AM >>><br>
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Edit your /etc/passwd file to set
the shell for your Apache user to
/bin/bash.
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Then "pwconv" so the change
takes effect.</div>
<div> Then try this</div>
<tt> su - apache</tt> (or whatever
user your Apache is running as)
<div><br>
</div>
<tt> clamdscan /var/zendto/*</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> clamdscan --fdpass
/var/zendto/*</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> exit</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> What happened? Did the virus
scans both complete
successfully?</div>
<div> </div>
<div> If not, and you're running
CentOS/RedHat 7, try this and
then give the above another try:</div>
<tt> groupmems --group virusgroup
--add apache</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I added that extra groupmems
command to the Installer a day
or two ago when I discovered
that RedHat/CentOS had changed
their group membership rules in
an update.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Any improvement?</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> P.S. Otherwise, if you can
give me remote ssh access I can
login myself and take a look for
you. I would be interested to
see what it is, if it's not any
of the above.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>Yep, PHP 7.2 is
installed. I've run through
the installer multiple times
now. No change, still get
the error.</div>
<div>Ken<br>
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10/25/2018 11:15 AM
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Do you have PHP 7.2
installed?
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> My Installer can
be run in stages, and
those stages can be
run independently.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> So you might want
to download the
Installer, unpack it
and wander into it. In
what will obviously be
the right sub-dir for
your OS, you will see
the numbered scripts.</div>
<div> </div>
<tt># cd
install.ZendTo/CentOS-RedHat/</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt># ls</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>1-devtools.sh
3-clamav.sh
5-httpd-php.sh
7-zendto.sh CentOS6
RHEL7</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>2-php.sh
4-firewall.sh
6-email.sh
8-selinux.sh RHEL5</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>#</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> If your web server
is already working
nicely, then you can
probably skip stage 1
(though it won't do
any harm).</div>
<div> </div>
<div> If you haven't
installed PHP 7.2
along with things like
the sodium extension,
then run stage 2 which
installs PHP. (Grab a
backup copy of your
ZendTo installation
first, as it may have
to remove the *whole*
of PHP first which can
also remove ZendTo and
other PHP applications
in the process, before
it can install the
correct version).</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Stages 3 and 5
shouldn't do any
damage, but will add
any new settings they
need for PHP and so
on.</div>
<div> Stage 7 does the
actual ZendTo
installation itself,
which it will do as an
upgrade if it finds a
zendto RPM already
installed. Well worth
running.</div>
<div> Stage 8 is only
relevant if you are
using SELinux, and
won't do anything if
you're not.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Since version 4,
ZendTo no longer needs
any form of
custom-built PHP or
anything like that. So
there's no recompiling
to be done.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Then if you have a
previous
preferences.php and/or
zendto.conf, you need
to use</div>
<div>
/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_preferences_php</div>
<div> and</div>
<div>
/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_zendto_conf</div>
<div> to upgrade those
files.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Also, if you have
done an RPM upgrade
from ZendTo 4, you
probably have a whole
stack of *.rpmnew
files in
/opt/zendto/templates.
You want to move each
of those into place so
they replace your old
*.tpl files.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> As I said, it
really is
faster/easier/better
to build v5 from
scratch, its
requirements are so
different from v4.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Hope that helps,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>None of that
helps. I'm
building a new
system. This is a
production system.
I never had
problems in the
past with
upgrading so I
went ahead and did
it. Bad move.
Unless anyone has
any other ideas, I
will just keep
working on setting
up the new system.
I have to get
something running
again for my
users.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Ken<br>
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<div><span
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text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF">> Yes, those directories do need to be writable by
whatever user
and group your
web server is
running as.
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> If you
are using
SELinux (most
likely if you
are using
CentOS or
RedHat), then
I would also
advise</div>
<tt>
restorecon
-FRv
/opt/zendto
/var/zendto</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> to reset
all the
SELinux
attributes to
the values
configured by
my Installer.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Also, if
you think it
might be an
SELinux
problem, you
can switch it
into
"permissive"
mode by</div>
<tt>
setenforce
permissive</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>
systemctl
restart httpd</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>
systemctl
restart
clamd@scan</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> To
switch it back
to
"enforcing",
you then do</div>
<tt>
setenforce
enforcing</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>
systemctl
restart httpd</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>
systemctl
restart
clamd@scan</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
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seen that
message as
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/opt/zendto
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Seems like I
needed to make
them writeable
by the apache
user, but I
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October 25,
2018 8:26 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Ken
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re: [ZendTo]
Zend.to error
during
drop-off<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">Going back through the mailing list archives, I
see that I am
having exactly
the same
problem as
Kevin O'Connor
in this
thread: <a
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style="font-size: 10pt;">Files are uploaded, but I get that error
message and
the email is
not sent.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">There is no stated resolution in that thread.
Any
suggestions or
do I have to
rebuild a
brand new
Zend.To
server?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 10pt;">Zend.To has been fairly solid for me...a bit of
a pain to find
this upgrade
to be so
fragile.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Ken Etter via
ZendTo <<a
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10/25/2018
8:38 AM
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style="font-size: 10pt;">I am running this on Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS if that
matters.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Ken<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Ken Etter via
ZendTo <<a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>>
10/25/2018
8:36 AM
>>></span></span><span
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style="font-size: 10pt;">Just upgraded my Zend.To installation from 4.x
to 5.15-1.
Everything
appeared to go
ok. But when I
click drop-off
files, I get
an error that
states:
"Sorry, I
failed to
drop-off your
files! Note
that you
cannot
drop-off
directories,
only files."
I'm not
dropping off a
directory,
just a single
file. I tried
a couple
different file
types - same
error each
time. Any
suggestions
for fixing
this? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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System
Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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