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Ken,<br>
<br>
I only changed the FQDN to set the domain name. As Ubuntu set itself
up, I didn't appear to have a domain name set, so "hostname --fqdn"
was just giving "kenetter" as it had no domain name. So I set the
domain name as per those instructions in order to get a
fully-qualified name out of "hostname --fqdn" before starting to
install ZendTo.<br>
<br>
If the ZendTo Installer cannot deduce a likely DNS domain name, it
tends to make some wrong decisions when setting up the
preferences.php and internaldomains.conf files. For a pain-free
installation, I tend to set that first, so that at least it has *a*
domain name, even if it's not the same one as the website is going
to have. Having the output of "hostname --fqdn" contain no dots at
all is not a good sign of a "well setup" server. :)<br>
<br>
That actual hostname and such like is irrelevant to ZendTo. What's
important is that the serverRoot in preferences.php matches up with
what Apache thinks it's serving it as.<br>
<br>
You can put ZendTo on a server that has lots of other sites on it as
well, that's no problem at all.<br>
<br>
Do you want to send me (off list) your Apache config for ZendTo, in
addition to the preferences.php, zendto.conf and
internaldomains.conf files? It's either something odd in there, or
else your Ubuntu 16.04.3 system isn't anything like as "vanilla" as
you think it is.<br>
Out of interest, why start with 16.04.3? That's not the latest 16.04
media available from Canonical, I had to go and hunt for it to
reproduce your steps.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
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<div>Jules,</div>
<div>Something doesn't seem clear here. You mention changing
the FQDN of the server. Why should that even be necessary? I
run multiple web servers on the same server and the site
addresses do not have anything at all to do with the server
name or the server FQDN. For ZendTo to work properly does the
site address have to match the server FQDN?</div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> Ken,
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I have just built a ZendTo VM from scratch using the
exact same version of Ubuntu you did, and the current
production release of ZendTo (as installed by my
Installer).</div>
<div> It worked absolutely fine for me.</div>
<div> Attached is the PDF log of what I did, so you can
read through it.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I didn't have to change the server name, as I had
already set the FQDN to the same name in the Ubuntu
networking setup (as documented in the PDF).</div>
<div> And I didn't touch *anything* after running the
Installer, including zendto.conf, preferences.php and
the Apache config.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I would be starting to suspect your preferences.php
settings. What happens if you check the serverRoot is
right, and make sure that Apache config matches.
Otherwise just use the preferences.php as the Installer
leaves it.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> On a VM with only 1GB, the current production
release probably won't be able to encrypt a drop-off.
I've reduced the memory requirements for that in the
latest betas, but in the mean time you will probably
need at least 2GB RAM to be able to use encryption.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/10/2018 09:20, Jules
Field wrote:<br>
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<div><br>
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<div> </div>
<div> This is really odd. I did thoroughly test the
Installer on every supported version of every flavour
of Linux that I say it works on. I've got dozens of
old VMs to prove it. :-/</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I'm downloading 16.04.3 (amd64) right now, and
will walk through the same steps as you listed below.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I'll let you know the results as soon as I've
built it.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>Jules,</div>
<div>I just finished setting up a brand new VM and I
get the same error message! This makes no sense!
Any thoughts?</div>
<div>* installed Ubuntu 16.04.3 as a basic server</div>
<div>* configured networking</div>
<div>* installed openssh-server</div>
<div>* patched server to 16.04.5</div>
<div>* downloaded your installer and ran it</div>
<div> used most defaults except I had to specify the
smtp server and the address of the site</div>
<div> the site address defaulted to <a
href="https://server_name"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://server_name</a>
and I changed it to <a
href="https://transfer.msktd.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://transfer.msktd.com</a></div>
<div>* modified preferences.php and zendto.conf for
my settings</div>
<div>* reboot</div>
<div>* login to site and attempt a drop off and I
get the same error as my upgraded site</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What could possibly be wrong in what I did?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ken<br>
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Field <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>
10/25/2018 11:41 AM >>><br>
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255);" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">>
Edit your /etc/passwd file to set the shell
for your Apache user to /bin/bash.
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Then "pwconv" so the change takes
effect.</div>
<div> Then try this</div>
<tt> su - apache</tt> (or whatever user your
Apache is running as)
<div><br>
</div>
<tt> clamdscan /var/zendto/*</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> exit</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> What happened? Did the virus scans both
complete successfully?</div>
<div> </div>
<div> If not, and you're running CentOS/RedHat
7, try this and then give the above another
try:</div>
<tt> groupmems --group virusgroup --add apache</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> I added that extra groupmems command to
the Installer a day or two ago when I
discovered that RedHat/CentOS had changed
their group membership rules in an update.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Any improvement?</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> P.S. Otherwise, if you can give me
remote ssh access I can login myself and
take a look for you. I would be interested
to see what it is, if it's not any of the
above.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>Yep, PHP 7.2 is installed. I've run
through the installer multiple times
now. No change, still get the error.</div>
<div>Ken<br>
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moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>
10/25/2018 11:15 AM >>><br>
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rgb(255, 255, 255);"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">>
Do you have PHP 7.2 installed?
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> My Installer can be run in
stages, and those stages can be
run independently.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> So you might want to download
the Installer, unpack it and
wander into it. In what will
obviously be the right sub-dir for
your OS, you will see the numbered
scripts.</div>
<div> </div>
<tt># cd
install.ZendTo/CentOS-RedHat/</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt># ls</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>1-devtools.sh 3-clamav.sh
5-httpd-php.sh 7-zendto.sh CentOS6
RHEL7</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>2-php.sh 4-firewall.sh
6-email.sh 8-selinux.sh RHEL5</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt>#</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> If your web server is already
working nicely, then you can
probably skip stage 1 (though it
won't do any harm).</div>
<div> </div>
<div> If you haven't installed PHP
7.2 along with things like the
sodium extension, then run stage 2
which installs PHP. (Grab a backup
copy of your ZendTo installation
first, as it may have to remove
the *whole* of PHP first which can
also remove ZendTo and other PHP
applications in the process,
before it can install the correct
version).</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Stages 3 and 5 shouldn't do
any damage, but will add any new
settings they need for PHP and so
on.</div>
<div> Stage 7 does the actual ZendTo
installation itself, which it will
do as an upgrade if it finds a
zendto RPM already installed. Well
worth running.</div>
<div> Stage 8 is only relevant if
you are using SELinux, and won't
do anything if you're not.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Since version 4, ZendTo no
longer needs any form of
custom-built PHP or anything like
that. So there's no recompiling to
be done.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Then if you have a previous
preferences.php and/or
zendto.conf, you need to use</div>
<div>
/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_preferences_php</div>
<div> and</div>
<div>
/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_zendto_conf</div>
<div> to upgrade those files.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Also, if you have done an RPM
upgrade from ZendTo 4, you
probably have a whole stack of
*.rpmnew files in
/opt/zendto/templates. You want to
move each of those into place so
they replace your old *.tpl files.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> As I said, it really is
faster/easier/better to build v5
from scratch, its requirements are
so different from v4.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Hope that helps,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>None of that helps. I'm
building a new system. This is
a production system. I never
had problems in the past with
upgrading so I went ahead and
did it. Bad move. Unless
anyone has any other ideas, I
will just keep working on
setting up the new system. I
have to get something running
again for my users.</div>
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<div>Ken<br>
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Jules Field via ZendTo <a
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<div><span
style="background-color:
rgb(255, 255, 255);"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
text="#000000">> Yes,
those directories do need
to be writable by whatever
user and group your web
server is running as.
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> If you are using
SELinux (most likely if
you are using CentOS or
RedHat), then I would
also advise</div>
<tt> restorecon -FRv
/opt/zendto /var/zendto</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> to reset all the
SELinux attributes to
the values configured by
my Installer.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Also, if you think
it might be an SELinux
problem, you can switch
it into "permissive"
mode by</div>
<tt> setenforce permissive</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> systemctl
restart httpd</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> systemctl
restart clamd@scan</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> To switch it back to
"enforcing", you then do</div>
<tt> setenforce enforcing</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> systemctl
restart httpd</tt><tt>
<div><br>
</div>
</tt><tt> systemctl
restart clamd@scan</tt>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Jules.</div>
<div> </div>
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seen that message as
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permissions on the
/opt/zendto
directories. Seems
like I needed to
make them writeable
by the apache user,
but I could be
mistaken.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Ken Etter
via ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Thursday,
October 25, 2018
8:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b>
ZendTo List <a
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re: [ZendTo]
Zend.to error
during drop-off<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 10pt;">Going back through the mailing list archives, I
see that I am
having exactly
the same
problem as
Kevin O'Connor
in this
thread: <a
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<div
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style="font-size: 10pt;">Files are uploaded, but I get that error
message and
the email is
not sent.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size: 10pt;">There is no stated resolution in that thread.
Any
suggestions or
do I have to
rebuild a
brand new
Zend.To
server?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div>
<div
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style="font-size: 10pt;">Zend.To has been fairly solid for me...a bit of
a pain to find
this upgrade
to be so
fragile.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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10/25/2018
8:38 AM
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style="font-size: 10pt;">I am running this on Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS if that
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<div
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style="font-size: 10pt;">Just upgraded my Zend.To installation from 4.x
to 5.15-1.
Everything
appeared to go
ok. But when I
click drop-off
files, I get
an error that
states:
"Sorry, I
failed to
drop-off your
files! Note
that you
cannot
drop-off
directories,
only files."
I'm not
dropping off a
directory,
just a single
file. I tried
a couple
different file
types - same
error each
time. Any
suggestions
for fixing
this? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Etter</span></strong><span
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black;
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font-size:
10pt;">,
System
Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Group</span><span
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules
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residence! There is a reason why your car has a big windshield and
a small rearview mirror. You are supposed to keep your eyes on where
you are going, and just occasionally check out where you have been.'
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules
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Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM
'It's very unlikely indeed he will ever recover consciousness, and
if he does he won't be the Julian you knew.'
- A hospital consultant I proved very wrong in 2007 :-)
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'Is the Holocaust an aberration, or a reflection of who we really are?'
- Holocaust Museum, Berlin
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules
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Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM
'Named must your fear be before banish it you can.' - Yoda
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules
--
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM
IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual
addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is
confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons
with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational religious
beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination,
distribution or copying of this email is not authorised (either
explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social faux
pas.
Unless the word absquatulation has been used in its correct context
somewhere other than in this warning, it does not have any legal
or no grammatical use and may be ignored. No animals were harmed
in the transmission of this email, although the kelpie next door
is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. Those of you with an
overwhelming fear of the unknown will be gratified to learn that
there is no hidden message revealed by reading this warning backwards,
so just ignore that Alert Notice from Microsoft.
However, by pouring a complete circle of salt around yourself and
your computer you can ensure that no harm befalls you and your pets.
If you have received this email in error, please add some nutmeg
and egg whites, whisk and place in a warm oven for 40 minutes.
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