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    Ken,<br>
    <br>
    I have just built a ZendTo VM from scratch using the exact same
    version of Ubuntu you did, and the current production release of
    ZendTo (as installed by my Installer).<br>
    It worked absolutely fine for me.<br>
    Attached is the PDF log of what I did, so you can read through it.<br>
    <br>
    I didn't have to change the server name, as I had already set the
    FQDN to the same name in the Ubuntu networking setup (as documented
    in the PDF).<br>
    And I didn't touch *anything* after running the Installer, including
    zendto.conf, preferences.php and the Apache config.<br>
    <br>
    I would be starting to suspect your preferences.php settings. What
    happens if you check the serverRoot is right, and make sure that
    Apache config matches. Otherwise just use the preferences.php as the
    Installer leaves it.<br>
    <br>
    On a VM with only 1GB, the current production release probably won't
    be able to encrypt a drop-off. I've reduced the memory requirements
    for that in the latest betas, but in the mean time you will probably
    need at least 2GB RAM to be able to use encryption.<br>
    <br>
    Cheers,<br>
    Jules.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/10/2018 09:20, Jules Field wrote:<br>
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      Ken,<br>
      <br>
      This is really odd. I did thoroughly test the Installer on every
      supported version of every flavour of Linux that I say it works
      on. I've got dozens of old VMs to prove it. :-/<br>
      <br>
      I'm downloading 16.04.3 (amd64) right now, and will walk through
      the same steps as you listed below.<br>
      <br>
      I'll let you know the results as soon as I've built it.<br>
      <br>
      Cheers,<br>
      Jules.<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/10/2018 17:57, Ken Etter wrote:<br>
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          <div>Jules,</div>
          <div>I just finished setting up a brand new VM and I get the
            same error message!  This makes no sense!  Any thoughts?</div>
          <div>* installed Ubuntu 16.04.3 as a basic server</div>
          <div>* configured networking</div>
          <div>* installed openssh-server</div>
          <div>* patched server to 16.04.5</div>
          <div>* downloaded your installer and ran it</div>
          <div>        used most defaults except I had to specify the
            smtp server and the address of the site</div>
          <div>        the site address defaulted to <a
              href="https://server_name" moz-do-not-send="true">https://server_name</a>
            and I changed it to <a href="https://transfer.msktd.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://transfer.msktd.com</a></div>
          <div>* modified preferences.php and zendto.conf for my
            settings</div>
          <div>* reboot</div>
          <div>* login to site and attempt a drop off and I get the same
            error as my upgraded site</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>What could possibly be wrong in what I did?</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Ken<br>
          </div>
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              class="GroupwiseReplyHeader">>>> Jules Field <a
                class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To" moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>
              10/25/2018 11:41 AM >>><br>
            </span>
            <div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"
                bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> Edit your
                /etc/passwd file to set the shell for your Apache user
                to /bin/bash.
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div> Then "pwconv" so the change takes effect.</div>
                <div> Then try this</div>
                <tt> su - apache</tt> (or whatever user your Apache is
                running as)
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <tt> clamdscan /var/zendto/*</tt><tt>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                </tt><tt> clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</tt><tt>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                </tt><tt> exit</tt>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div> What happened? Did the virus scans both complete
                  successfully?</div>
                <div> </div>
                <div> If not, and you're running CentOS/RedHat 7, try
                  this and then give the above another try:</div>
                <tt> groupmems --group virusgroup --add apache</tt><tt>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                </tt><tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div> </div>
                <div> I added that extra groupmems command to the
                  Installer a day or two ago when I discovered that
                  RedHat/CentOS had changed their group membership rules
                  in an update.</div>
                <div> </div>
                <div> Any improvement?</div>
                <div> </div>
                <div> Cheers,</div>
                <div> Jules.</div>
                <div> </div>
                <div> P.S. Otherwise, if you can give me remote ssh
                  access I can login myself and take a look for you. I
                  would be interested to see what it is, if it's not any
                  of the above.</div>
                <div> </div>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/10/2018 16:22, Ken
                  Etter wrote:<br>
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                    <div>Yep, PHP 7.2 is installed. I've run through the
                      installer multiple times now. No change, still get
                      the error.</div>
                    <div>Ken<br>
                    </div>
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                        class="GroupwiseReplyHeader">>>> Jules
                        Field <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                          href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>
                        10/25/2018 11:15 AM >>><br>
                      </span>
                      <div><span style="background-color: rgb(255,
                          255,&#xA; 255);" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
                          text="#000000">> Do you have PHP 7.2
                          installed?
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> My Installer can be run in stages, and
                            those stages can be run independently.</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> So you might want to download the
                            Installer, unpack it and wander into it. In
                            what will obviously be the right sub-dir for
                            your OS, you will see the numbered scripts.</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <tt># cd install.ZendTo/CentOS-RedHat/</tt><tt>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                          </tt><tt># ls</tt><tt>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                          </tt><tt>1-devtools.sh 3-clamav.sh
                            5-httpd-php.sh 7-zendto.sh CentOS6 RHEL7</tt><tt>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                          </tt><tt>2-php.sh 4-firewall.sh 6-email.sh
                            8-selinux.sh RHEL5</tt><tt>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                          </tt><tt>#</tt>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> If your web server is already working
                            nicely, then you can probably skip stage 1
                            (though it won't do any harm).</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> If you haven't installed PHP 7.2 along
                            with things like the sodium extension, then
                            run stage 2 which installs PHP. (Grab a
                            backup copy of your ZendTo installation
                            first, as it may have to remove the *whole*
                            of PHP first which can also remove ZendTo
                            and other PHP applications in the process,
                            before it can install the correct version).</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> Stages 3 and 5 shouldn't do any damage,
                            but will add any new settings they need for
                            PHP and so on.</div>
                          <div> Stage 7 does the actual ZendTo
                            installation itself, which it will do as an
                            upgrade if it finds a zendto RPM already
                            installed. Well worth running.</div>
                          <div> Stage 8 is only relevant if you are
                            using SELinux, and won't do anything if
                            you're not.</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> Since version 4, ZendTo no longer needs
                            any form of custom-built PHP or anything
                            like that. So there's no recompiling to be
                            done.</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> Then if you have a previous
                            preferences.php and/or zendto.conf, you need
                            to use</div>
                          <div> /opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_preferences_php</div>
                          <div> and</div>
                          <div> /opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_zendto_conf</div>
                          <div> to upgrade those files.</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> Also, if you have done an RPM upgrade
                            from ZendTo 4, you probably have a whole
                            stack of *.rpmnew files in
                            /opt/zendto/templates. You want to move each
                            of those into place so they replace your old
                            *.tpl files.</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> As I said, it really is
                            faster/easier/better to build v5 from
                            scratch, its requirements are so different
                            from v4.</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div> Hope that helps,</div>
                          <div> Jules.</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/10/2018
                            15:59, Ken Etter wrote:<br>
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                              <div>None of that helps. I'm building a
                                new system. This is a production system.
                                I never had problems in the past with
                                upgrading so I went ahead and did it.
                                Bad move. Unless anyone has any other
                                ideas, I will just keep working on
                                setting up the new system. I have to get
                                something running again for my users.</div>
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                              <div>Ken<br>
                              </div>
                              <div><span class="GroupwiseReplyHeader">>>>
                                  Jules Field via ZendTo <a
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                                  10/25/2018 10:53 AM >>><br>
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                                    Yes, those directories do need to be
                                    writable by whatever user and group
                                    your web server is running as.
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div> </div>
                                    <div> If you are using SELinux (most
                                      likely if you are using CentOS or
                                      RedHat), then I would also advise</div>
                                    <tt> restorecon -FRv /opt/zendto
                                      /var/zendto</tt>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div> to reset all the SELinux
                                      attributes to the values
                                      configured by my Installer.</div>
                                    <div> </div>
                                    <div> Also, if you think it might be
                                      an SELinux problem, you can switch
                                      it into "permissive" mode by</div>
                                    <tt> setenforce permissive</tt><tt>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                    </tt><tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt><tt>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                    </tt><tt> systemctl restart
                                      clamd@scan</tt>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div> </div>
                                    <div> To switch it back to
                                      "enforcing", you then do</div>
                                    <tt> setenforce enforcing</tt><tt>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                    </tt><tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt><tt>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                    </tt><tt> systemctl restart
                                      clamd@scan</tt>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div> </div>
                                    <div> Cheers,</div>
                                    <div> Jules.</div>
                                    <div> </div>
                                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                      25/10/2018 14:31, Gray McCord via
                                      ZendTo wrote:<br>
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                                        <div class="MsoNormal">I’ve seen
                                          that message as well. Check
                                          the file permissions on the
                                          /opt/zendto directories. Seems
                                          like I needed to make them
                                          writeable by the apache user,
                                          but I could be mistaken.<o:p></o:p></div>
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                                          <div class="MsoNormal"><span>Gray
                                              McCord</span><span
                                              style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                                          <div class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;">Adapt,
                                                Mutate, Migrate, or Die</span></i><span
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                                            <div class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                              ZendTo <a
                                                class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></a>
                                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken
                                              Etter via ZendTo<br>
                                              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                                              October 25, 2018 8:26 AM<br>
                                              <b>To:</b> ZendTo List <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
                                              <b>Cc:</b> Ken Etter <a
                                                class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:KLE@msktd.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><KLE@msktd.com></a><br>
                                              <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                              [ZendTo] Zend.to error
                                              during drop-off<o:p></o:p></div>
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                                        <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;">Going
                                                back through the mailing
                                                list archives, I see
                                                that I am having exactly
                                                the same problem as
                                                Kevin O'Connor in this
                                                thread: <a
href="https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjul.es%2Fpipermail%2Fzendto%2F2018-June%2F003208.html&data=01%7C01%7CJules%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7Ca244c38af7594fe02f4008d63a8489e3%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C1&sdata=%2FMQVOSO5ZjLwkrQ991eChCvoSfFOLwm3yUcnFSzoRc0%3D&reserved=0"
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                                            <div class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;">Files
                                                are uploaded, but I get
                                                that error message and
                                                the email is not sent.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                                          </div>
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                                            <div class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;">There
                                                is no stated resolution
                                                in that thread. Any
                                                suggestions or do I have
                                                to rebuild a brand new
                                                Zend.To server?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                                          </div>
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                                            <div class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;">Zend.To
                                                has been fairly solid
                                                for me...a bit of a pain
                                                to find this upgrade to
                                                be so fragile.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p>
                                                </o:p></span></div>
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                                            <div class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;">Ken<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                            <div class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">>>>
                                                  Ken Etter via ZendTo
                                                  <<a
                                                    href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>> 10/25/2018 8:38 AM
                                                  >>></span></span><span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                              <div class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  style="font-size:
                                                  10pt;">I am running
                                                  this on Ubuntu 16.04.5
                                                  LTS if that matters.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                              <div class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  style="font-size:
                                                  10pt;"><br>
                                                  Ken<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                            <div class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">>>>
                                                  Ken Etter via ZendTo
                                                  <<a
                                                    href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>> 10/25/2018 8:36 AM
                                                  >>></span></span><span
                                                style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                              <div class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  style="font-size:
                                                  10pt;">Just upgraded
                                                  my Zend.To
                                                  installation from 4.x
                                                  to 5.15-1. Everything
                                                  appeared to go ok. But
                                                  when I click drop-off
                                                  files, I get an error
                                                  that states: "Sorry, I
                                                  failed to drop-off
                                                  your files! Note that
                                                  you cannot drop-off
                                                  directories, only
                                                  files." I'm not
                                                  dropping off a
                                                  directory, just a
                                                  single file. I tried a
                                                  couple different file
                                                  types - same error
                                                  each time. Any
                                                  suggestions for fixing
                                                  this? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                                      style="color:
                                                      black;&#xA;
                                                      font-family:&#xA;
"Arial",sans-serif;&#xA; font-size: 10pt;">Ken Etter</span></strong><span
                                                    style="color:
                                                    black;&#xA;
                                                    font-family:&#xA;
                                                    "Arial",sans-serif;&#xA;
                                                    font-size: 10pt;">,
                                                    System Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                                    Group</span><span
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                                                    "Arial",sans-serif;&#xA;
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                                    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules

-- 
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM

'The past is supposed to be a place of reference, not a place of
residence! There is a reason why your car has a big windshield and
a small rearview mirror. You are supposed to keep your eyes on where
you are going, and just occasionally check out where you have been.'
  - Willie Jolley

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                          <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules

-- 
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                <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules

-- 
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM

'It's very unlikely indeed he will ever recover consciousness, and
 if he does he won't be the Julian you knew.'
  - A hospital consultant I proved very wrong in 2007 :-)

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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules

-- 
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM

'Is the Holocaust an aberration, or a reflection of who we really are?'
 - Holocaust Museum, Berlin

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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules

-- 
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM

'Named must your fear be before banish it you can.' - Yoda

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