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  <div class="GroupWiseMessageBody" id="GroupWiseSection_1540495941000_kle@msktd.com_1FEF159614D20000B1ED8700B3004500_"><span class="GroupwiseReplyHeader">>>> Jules Field <Jules@Zend.To> 10/25/2018 12:45 PM >>><br></span><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">>
    Please can you send us the entire output of both commands.
    Screenshot or copy-and-paste will do.<div><br></div><div>
    </div><div>
    Also, send us the entire output of "ls -al /var/zendto".</div><div>
    </div><div>
    Then I can compare what you've got with my Ubuntu 16.04 test
    machine, which I know works.</div><div>
    </div><div>
    Cheers,</div><div>
    Jules.</div><div>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/10/2018 16:47, Ken Etter wrote:<br>
    </div>
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        <div>I'm running Ubuntu 16.04.5</div>
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        <div>clamdscan /var/zendto/* <-- this one failed with
          permission denied</div>
        <div>clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*  <-- this one displayed
          some warnings, then got to /var/zendto/cache: OK and then
          seemed to hang.</div>
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        </div>
        <div>Ken<br>
        </div>
        <div><span class="GroupwiseReplyHeader">>>> Jules Field
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"><Jules@Zend.To></a> 10/25/2018 11:41 AM >>><br>
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          <div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> Edit your
              /etc/passwd file to set the shell for your Apache user to
              /bin/bash.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> Then "pwconv" so the change takes effect.</div>
              <div> Then try this</div>
              <tt> su - apache</tt> (or whatever user your Apache is
              running as)
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <tt> clamdscan /var/zendto/*</tt><tt>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </tt><tt> clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</tt><tt>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </tt><tt> exit</tt>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> What happened? Did the virus scans both complete
                successfully?</div>
              <div> </div>
              <div> If not, and you're running CentOS/RedHat 7, try this
                and then give the above another try:</div>
              <tt> groupmems --group virusgroup --add apache</tt><tt>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </tt><tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> </div>
              <div> I added that extra groupmems command to the
                Installer a day or two ago when I discovered that
                RedHat/CentOS had changed their group membership rules
                in an update.</div>
              <div> </div>
              <div> Any improvement?</div>
              <div> </div>
              <div> Cheers,</div>
              <div> Jules.</div>
              <div> </div>
              <div> P.S. Otherwise, if you can give me remote ssh access
                I can login myself and take a look for you. I would be
                interested to see what it is, if it's not any of the
                above.</div>
              <div> </div>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/10/2018 16:22, Ken
                Etter wrote:<br>
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                  <div>Yep, PHP 7.2 is installed. I've run through the
                    installer multiple times now. No change, still get
                    the error.</div>
                  <div>Ken<br>
                  </div>
                  <div class="GroupWiseMessageBody" id="GroupWiseSection_1540480866000_kle@msktd.com_1FEF159614D20000B1ED8700B3004500_"><span class="GroupwiseReplyHeader">>>> Jules
                      Field <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To" moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>
                      10/25/2018 11:15 AM >>><br>
                    </span>
                    <div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> Do
                        you have PHP 7.2 installed?
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> My Installer can be run in stages, and
                          those stages can be run independently.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> So you might want to download the
                          Installer, unpack it and wander into it. In
                          what will obviously be the right sub-dir for
                          your OS, you will see the numbered scripts.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <tt># cd install.ZendTo/CentOS-RedHat/</tt><tt>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                        </tt><tt># ls</tt><tt>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                        </tt><tt>1-devtools.sh 3-clamav.sh
                          5-httpd-php.sh 7-zendto.sh CentOS6 RHEL7</tt><tt>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                        </tt><tt>2-php.sh 4-firewall.sh 6-email.sh
                          8-selinux.sh RHEL5</tt><tt>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                        </tt><tt>#</tt>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> If your web server is already working
                          nicely, then you can probably skip stage 1
                          (though it won't do any harm).</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> If you haven't installed PHP 7.2 along
                          with things like the sodium extension, then
                          run stage 2 which installs PHP. (Grab a backup
                          copy of your ZendTo installation first, as it
                          may have to remove the *whole* of PHP first
                          which can also remove ZendTo and other PHP
                          applications in the process, before it can
                          install the correct version).</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> Stages 3 and 5 shouldn't do any damage,
                          but will add any new settings they need for
                          PHP and so on.</div>
                        <div> Stage 7 does the actual ZendTo
                          installation itself, which it will do as an
                          upgrade if it finds a zendto RPM already
                          installed. Well worth running.</div>
                        <div> Stage 8 is only relevant if you are using
                          SELinux, and won't do anything if you're not.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> Since version 4, ZendTo no longer needs
                          any form of custom-built PHP or anything like
                          that. So there's no recompiling to be done.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> Then if you have a previous
                          preferences.php and/or zendto.conf, you need
                          to use</div>
                        <div> /opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_preferences_php</div>
                        <div> and</div>
                        <div> /opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_zendto_conf</div>
                        <div> to upgrade those files.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> Also, if you have done an RPM upgrade from
                          ZendTo 4, you probably have a whole stack of
                          *.rpmnew files in /opt/zendto/templates. You
                          want to move each of those into place so they
                          replace your old *.tpl files.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> As I said, it really is
                          faster/easier/better to build v5 from scratch,
                          its requirements are so different from v4.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> Hope that helps,</div>
                        <div> Jules.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/10/2018
                          15:59, Ken Etter wrote:<br>
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                            <div>None of that helps. I'm building a new
                              system. This is a production system. I
                              never had problems in the past with
                              upgrading so I went ahead and did it. Bad
                              move. Unless anyone has any other ideas, I
                              will just keep working on setting up the
                              new system. I have to get something
                              running again for my users.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Ken<br>
                            </div>
                            <div><span class="GroupwiseReplyHeader">>>>
                                Jules Field via ZendTo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a>
                                10/25/2018 10:53 AM >>><br>
                              </span>
                              <div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> Yes, those
                                  directories do need to be writable by
                                  whatever user and group your web
                                  server is running as.
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div> </div>
                                  <div> If you are using SELinux (most
                                    likely if you are using CentOS or
                                    RedHat), then I would also advise</div>
                                  <tt> restorecon -FRv /opt/zendto
                                    /var/zendto</tt>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div> to reset all the SELinux
                                    attributes to the values configured
                                    by my Installer.</div>
                                  <div> </div>
                                  <div> Also, if you think it might be
                                    an SELinux problem, you can switch
                                    it into "permissive" mode by</div>
                                  <tt> setenforce permissive</tt><tt>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </tt><tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt><tt>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </tt><tt> systemctl restart clamd@scan</tt>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div> </div>
                                  <div> To switch it back to
                                    "enforcing", you then do</div>
                                  <tt> setenforce enforcing</tt><tt>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </tt><tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt><tt>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </tt><tt> systemctl restart clamd@scan</tt>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div> </div>
                                  <div> Cheers,</div>
                                  <div> Jules.</div>
                                  <div> </div>
                                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                    25/10/2018 14:31, Gray McCord via
                                    ZendTo wrote:<br>
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                                      <div class="MsoNormal">I’ve seen
                                        that message as well. Check the
                                        file permissions on the
                                        /opt/zendto directories. Seems
                                        like I needed to make them
                                        writeable by the apache user,
                                        but I could be mistaken.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                      <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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                                        <div class="MsoNormal"><span>Gray
                                            McCord</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                                        <div class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Adapt,
                                              Mutate, Migrate, or Die</span></i><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                                        <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt;"> -C.
                                            Darwin</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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                                          <div class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                            ZendTo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></a>
                                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken
                                            Etter via ZendTo<br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                                            October 25, 2018 8:26 AM<br>
                                            <b>To:</b> ZendTo List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
                                            <b>Cc:</b> Ken Etter <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:KLE@msktd.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><KLE@msktd.com></a><br>
                                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo]
                                            Zend.to error during
                                            drop-off<o:p></o:p></div>
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                                          <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Going
                                              back through the mailing
                                              list archives, I see that
                                              I am having exactly the
                                              same problem as Kevin
                                              O'Connor in this thread: <a href="https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjul.es%2Fpipermail%2Fzendto%2F2018-June%2F003208.html&data=01%7C01%7CJules%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7Ca244c38af7594fe02f4008d63a8489e3%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C1&sdata=%2FMQVOSO5ZjLwkrQ991eChCvoSfFOLwm3yUcnFSzoRc0%3D&reserved=0" moz-do-not-send="true" originalsrc="http://jul.es/pipermail/zendto/2018-June/003208.html" shash="r5yfw49nlHb9eNPIvwrlbDgSLMpuuZH4G3/eyBeO/eN5cAHmnql5JgIxULx/JG64jx+vMO0iE1igMcsJ9nHwEyiAgt5T+LfSc12XqmZP6tWaWQ0wgXnQjQDcptGWnjDSe477MOyFGz0d9bgk4+iXLbT4KmH9Ah9UX3mlDdcrEhQ=">http://jul.es/pipermail/zendto/2018-June/003208.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                          <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Files
                                              are uploaded, but I get
                                              that error message and the
                                              email is not sent.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                          <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">There
                                              is no stated resolution in
                                              that thread. Any
                                              suggestions or do I have
                                              to rebuild a brand new
                                              Zend.To server?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                          <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Zend.To
                                              has been fairly solid for
                                              me...a bit of a pain to
                                              find this upgrade to be so
                                              fragile.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                          <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Ken<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                          <div class="MsoNormal"><span class="groupwisereplyheader"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">>>>
                                                Ken Etter via ZendTo
                                                <<a href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>>
                                                10/25/2018 8:38 AM
                                                >>></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                            <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I
                                                am running this on
                                                Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS if
                                                that matters.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                                Ken<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                                Ken Etter via ZendTo
                                                <<a href="mailto:zendto@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>>
                                                10/25/2018 8:36 AM
                                                >>></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                            <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Just
                                                upgraded my Zend.To
                                                installation from 4.x to
                                                5.15-1. Everything
                                                appeared to go ok. But
                                                when I click drop-off
                                                files, I get an error
                                                that states: "Sorry, I
                                                failed to drop-off your
                                                files! Note that you
                                                cannot drop-off
                                                directories, only
                                                files." I'm not dropping
                                                off a directory, just a
                                                single file. I tried a
                                                couple different file
                                                types - same error each
                                                time. Any suggestions
                                                for fixing this? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                  <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules

-- 
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM

'The past is supposed to be a place of reference, not a place of
residence! There is a reason why your car has a big windshield and
a small rearview mirror. You are supposed to keep your eyes on where
you are going, and just occasionally check out where you have been.'
  - Willie Jolley

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Twitter: @JulesFM
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                        <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules

-- 
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM

IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual
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somewhere other than in this warning, it does not have any legal
or no grammatical use and may be ignored. No animals were harmed
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there is no hidden message revealed by reading this warning backwards,
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However, by pouring a complete circle of salt around yourself and
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If you have received this email in error, please add some nutmeg
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              <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules

-- 
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM

'It's very unlikely indeed he will ever recover consciousness, and
 if he does he won't be the Julian you knew.'
  - A hospital consultant I proved very wrong in 2007 :-)

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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jules

-- 
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM

'They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
 Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
 They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
 They fell with their faces to the foe.

 They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
 Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
 At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
 We will remember them.

 They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
 They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
 They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
 They sleep beyond England's foam.'
    - Ode of Remembrance, Laurence Binyon

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