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Adding "apache" to the "virusgroup" is a safer way of fixing this
problem.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/10/2018 16:48, Gray McCord via
ZendTo wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jules, you triggered something I found a
few weeks ago: a problem with the latest clamd update on my
Centos 7 Zendto systems. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">After updating to
clamd v100.1, uploads failed in Zendto. The error was that the
clamd daemon could not access the needed socket file in
/var/run/clamd.scan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">The problem was that
the update apparently changed something that altered the group
used by the clamd daemon to "virusgroup" from "clamscan"
Changing the group owner of /var/run/clamd.scan to "clamscan"
fixed it BUT<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Every time the
system rebooted, the /var/run/clamd.scan directory was
recreated with the wrong group owner "virusgroup"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">The fix required
editing a template file, /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/clamd.scan.conf,
and changing the contents:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">From:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">d /run/clamd.scan
0710 clamscan virusgroup<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">To:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">d /run/clamd.scan
0710 clamscan clamscan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">That fixes it!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe this is the issue?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Copperplate Gothic
Light",sans-serif;color:black">Gray McCord</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate
Gothic Light",sans-serif;color:#E36C0A">Adapt,
Mutate, Migrate, or Die</span></i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate Gothic
Light",sans-serif;color:#E36C0A">
-C. Darwin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">ZendTo
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></a> on behalf of Jules Field
via ZendTo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Organization: </b>ZendTo<br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>ZendTo Users <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 10:41 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Ken Etter <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kle@msktd.com"><kle@msktd.com></a>, ZendTo List
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Jules Field <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"><Jules@Zend.To></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>{Disarmed} Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to error
during drop-off<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Edit your
/etc/passwd file to set the shell for your Apache user to
/bin/bash.<br>
Then "pwconv" so the change takes effect.<br>
Then try this<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> su - apache</span></tt>
(or whatever user your Apache is running as)<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> clamdscan /var/zendto/*</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><br>
<tt> clamdscan --fdpass /var/zendto/*</tt><br>
<tt> exit</tt></span><br>
What happened? Did the virus scans both complete successfully?<br>
<br>
If not, and you're running CentOS/RedHat 7, try this and then
give the above another try:<br>
<tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> groupmems --group
virusgroup --add apache</span></tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><br>
<tt> systemctl restart httpd</tt></span><br>
<br>
I added that extra groupmems command to the Installer a day or
two ago when I discovered that RedHat/CentOS had changed their
group membership rules in an update.<br>
<br>
Any improvement?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
<br>
P.S. Otherwise, if you can give me remote ssh access I can
login myself and take a look for you. I would be interested to
see what it is, if it's not any of the above.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 25/10/2018 16:22, Ken Etter wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yep, PHP 7.2 is installed. I've run
through the installer multiple times now. No change,
still get the error.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ken<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="groupwisereplyheader">>>>
Jules Field <a href="mailto:Jules@Zend.To"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Jules@Zend.To></a>
10/25/2018 11:15 AM >>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">>
Do you have PHP 7.2 installed? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">My
Installer can be run in stages, and those stages
can be run independently.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">So
you might want to download the Installer, unpack
it and wander into it. In what will obviously be
the right sub-dir for your OS, you will see the
numbered scripts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white"># cd
install.ZendTo/CentOS-RedHat/ </span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white"># ls </span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">1-devtools.sh
3-clamav.sh 5-httpd-php.sh 7-zendto.sh CentOS6
RHEL7 </span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">2-php.sh
4-firewall.sh 6-email.sh 8-selinux.sh RHEL5 </span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">#</span></tt><span
style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">If
your web server is already working nicely, then
you can probably skip stage 1 (though it won't do
any harm).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">If
you haven't installed PHP 7.2 along with things
like the sodium extension, then run stage 2 which
installs PHP. (Grab a backup copy of your ZendTo
installation first, as it may have to remove the
*whole* of PHP first which can also remove ZendTo
and other PHP applications in the process, before
it can install the correct version).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">Stages
3 and 5 shouldn't do any damage, but will add any
new settings they need for PHP and so on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">Stage
7 does the actual ZendTo installation itself,
which it will do as an upgrade if it finds a
zendto RPM already installed. Well worth running.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">Stage
8 is only relevant if you are using SELinux, and
won't do anything if you're not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">Since
version 4, ZendTo no longer needs any form of
custom-built PHP or anything like that. So there's
no recompiling to be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">Then
if you have a previous preferences.php and/or
zendto.conf, you need to use<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_preferences_php<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">/opt/zendto/bin/upgrade_zendto_conf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">to
upgrade those files.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">Also,
if you have done an RPM upgrade from ZendTo 4, you
probably have a whole stack of *.rpmnew files in
/opt/zendto/templates. You want to move each of
those into place so they replace your old *.tpl
files.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">As
I said, it really is faster/easier/better to build
v5 from scratch, its requirements are so different
from v4.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">Hope
that helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">Jules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">On
25/10/2018 15:59, Ken Etter wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">None of that helps.
I'm building a new system. This is a
production system. I never had problems in the
past with upgrading so I went ahead and did
it. Bad move. Unless anyone has any other
ideas, I will just keep working on setting up
the new system. I have to get something
running again for my users.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="groupwisereplyheader"><span
style="background:white">>>> Jules
Field via ZendTo <a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a>
10/25/2018 10:53 AM >>></span></span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">> Yes, those
directories do need to be writable by
whatever user and group your web server is
running as. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">If you are using
SELinux (most likely if you are using
CentOS or RedHat), then I would also
advise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">restorecon
-FRv /opt/zendto /var/zendto</span></tt><span
style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">to reset all the
SELinux attributes to the values
configured by my Installer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Also, if you
think it might be an SELinux problem, you
can switch it into "permissive" mode by<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">setenforce
permissive </span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart httpd </span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart clamd@scan</span></tt><span
style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">To switch it back
to "enforcing", you then do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">setenforce
enforcing </span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart httpd </span></tt><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></tt></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><tt><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">systemctl
restart clamd@scan</span></tt><span
style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Jules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">On 25/10/2018
14:31, Gray McCord via ZendTo wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">I’ve seen that
message as well. Check the file
permissions on the /opt/zendto
directories. Seems like I needed to make
them writeable by the apache user, but I
could be mistaken.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:white">Gray McCord<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Adapt,
Mutate, Migrate, or Die</span></i><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;background:white">-C.
Darwin</span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="background:white">From:</span></b><span
style="background:white"> ZendTo <a
href="mailto:zendto-bounces@zend.to" moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto-bounces@zend.to></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Etter via
ZendTo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25,
2018 8:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ZendTo List <a
href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
moz-do-not-send="true"><zendto@zend.to></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ken Etter <a
href="mailto:KLE@msktd.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><KLE@msktd.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ZendTo] Zend.to
error during drop-off<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Going
back through the mailing list
archives, I see that I am having
exactly the same problem as Kevin
O'Connor in this thread: <a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Files
are uploaded, but I get that error
message and the email is not sent.</span><span
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is no stated resolution in that
thread. Any suggestions or do I have
to rebuild a brand new Zend.To
server?</span><span
style="background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Zend.To
has been fairly solid for me...a bit
of a pain to find this upgrade to be
so fragile.</span><span
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Ken Etter via ZendTo <<a
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10/25/2018 8:38 AM >>></span></span><span
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am running this on Ubuntu 16.04.5
LTS if that matters.</span><span
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Ken</span><span
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Ken Etter via ZendTo <<a
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10/25/2018 8:36 AM >>></span></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white">Just
upgraded my Zend.To installation
from 4.x to 5.15-1. Everything
appeared to go ok. But when I
click drop-off files, I get an
error that states: "Sorry, I
failed to drop-off your files!
Note that you cannot drop-off
directories, only files." I'm not
dropping off a directory, just a
single file. I tried a couple
different file types - same error
each time. Any suggestions for
fixing this? Thanks!</span><span
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--
Julian Field MEng CEng CITP MBCS MIEEE MACM
'They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.'
- Ode of Remembrance, Laurence Binyon
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