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:-)<br>
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Yes, you are absolutely correct, the installer does assume you are
running an entire VM just for ZendTo.<br>
<br>
That's part of the beauty of having VMs where before we only had
physical servers, where you could either use the whole server or
none of it.<br>
<br>
A vast proportion of particularly small companies couldn't justify
the cost of an entire server just to run ZendTo: most ZendTo servers
spend most of their life idle, that's just the nature of the service
ZendTo provides.<br>
<br>
But they can very cheaply spin up a VM (or merely a container) just
to run ZendTo.<br>
<br>
So no longer do sysadmins have to cope with multiple web
applications running simultaneously in the same filesystem with
conflicting setups, different version requirements and so on. You
can have 1 VM (or just 1 container) for each web application. No
more conflicts between applications, each runs separately and so the
ongoing support costs are a fraction of the total amount they were
with multiple apps on the same host.<br>
<br>
I've been a professional Unix (and Windows and Mac) sysadmin since
1995. We wouldn't be able to operate now, the way we used to when
the only option was running multiple apps directly on the same
physical iron.<br>
<br>
Also, I switched away from providing a VM image "virtual appliance"
for ZendTo to the Installer I provide now, because most large
organisations now have pre-configured "template" VM images which
contain their favourite Linux set up how they want it, with things
like centralised logging, authentication, monitoring and so on
already set up. It is far easier to run the Installer on top of a
clone of the template, than it is to shoe-horn the centralised
configs into an OS installation you had no control over.<br>
<br>
I hope that helps explain why I've gone the route I have.<br>
If you want to install it all manually, feel free. But take a look
at the complexity of the Installer and work out exactly how sure you
are that you won't miss something.<br>
<br>
P.S. The email sending is now done using PHPMailer, it doesn't
usually use any underlying MTA at all (unless you forget to
configure it in preferences.php, at which point it has no option).
If you don't use PHPMailer, you don't get HTML email messages from
ZendTo, only plain text ones. The old code that relies on the
underlying MTA is simply there for the benefit of people who upgrade
badly and so may be running with an ancient preferences.php that
doesn't contain the PHPMailer settings. I don't intend anyone to
*choose* to use the old code, which is partly why it only does plain
text emails and not pretty HTML ones.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/07/2018 02:30, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bbrendon@gmail.com">bbrendon@gmail.com</a>
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<div dir="ltr">You are right. Line out the "
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style="font-size:12.8px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Richard
H. Burns <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:burnsr@william.jewell.edu" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">burnsr@william.jewell.edu</a>></span>
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I respect people having different opinions but disparaging
comments about someone who is providing the software free
seems to be a bridge too far. If you don’t like the
software or the way it works please don’t ruin it for the
rest of us. I applaud Jules work and his always pleasant
attitude.
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<div>Speaking for myself, I most certainly do run a
single VM for Zendto. I plan on keeping it that way. </div>
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style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Server
and Systems Administrator</i></b></p>
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style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">William
Jewell College | <a
href="http://www.jewell.edu/" dir="ltr"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.jewell.edu</a></span></p>
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On Jul 2, 2018, at 5:28 PM, bbrendon--- via
ZendTo <<a href="mailto:zendto@zend.to"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">zendto@zend.to</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">I think you are crazy. That
installer basically assumes you're running
an entire VM just for zendto. I would vote
the installer works like other LAMP apps.
This script is like big brother.
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<div>1. apache - no thanks</div>
<div>2. mod_php. no thanks</div>
<div>3. ufw. no thanks</div>
<div>4. postfix. I like exim thanks.</div>
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<div>I understand you're trying to make it
easy, but you're also making it harder for
people like me.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 2, 2018
at 1:17 AM, Jules Field <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:Jules@zend.to"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Jules@zend.to</a>></span>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">BB,<br>
<br>
To upgrade to 5.10, *please* use the
ZendTo installer. This will upgrade
your system pretty safely (grab your
PHP settings first though, as it can't
always avoid rewriting them from
scratch), and install all the things
you actually need.<br>
<br>
It pauses a lot along the way, and
tells you what it's about to do, so
you can always pause it while you go
and check something out, before
letting it continue.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jules.
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class="m_-4259420866901917066m_-7138211077531357058moz-cite-prefix">On
01/07/2018 21:04, bbrendon---
via ZendTo wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Previously I was
running 4.12 and didn't have
any issues.
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<div>I've updated to 5.10 and
now I get errors about
libsodium not being
installed or enabled. I
verified it was enabled but
still get errors. For the
moment I disabled encryption
in the app as I don't need
new features.</div>
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<div>I realize you don't test
or run with phpfpm but just
mentioning this in case you
ever go there.</div>
<div>-BB</div>
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